Pacers, Rockets and Grizzlies - No JO trade

[Bit's]

Pacers trade:

Troy Murphy
David Harrison

for

Mike James
Steve Francis
Steve Novak

Pacers get rid of Murphy and give space for Diogu and Shawne, get smaller contracts, a very good backup for Tinsley in Mike James. And Francis have a lot of talent, we can at least try to see if he plays well, or buy out him. Novak is just a filler, but can shot some 3's.

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Memphis trade:

Damon Stoudamire

for

David Harrison
Kirk Snyder

Harrison has some problems but he can be a good player. He was playing very well in the first games. Anyway, his contract expire this season. Snyder I think it's a nice player, very athletic, I think he has some potential.

Both are very young and can pay better in a new team. It's low risk, Damon wanna leave.

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Houston trade:

Mike James
Steve Francis
Kirk Snyder
Steve Novak

for

Damon Stoudamire
Troy Murphy

Rockets get two players that can be VERY useful in the rest of the season, and in the playoffs for players (except James) they almost never use. A veteran player like Stoudamire in this Rockets roster, who doesn't have so much experience in playoffs, would be very good. And he's still a good point guard.

Murphy has a bad contract but he'd be very useful in Adelman's system. He can grab a lot of rebound, hit some 3pointers.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

You made this very confusing. However I love it from the Pacers standpoint. This is really a toss up trade from what I can see. I do think Murphy would thrive in Houston next to Yao though. From what I can see this makes sense for all the teams involved. Houston would be the only question mark, but even it makes sense with chemistry.

[chatard5]

Pacers say DEAL! Not only do we get rid of Murphy, we get one of my favorite players from the past in Francis! All he needs is a chance to show he still has some skill left!

[Bit's]

No more thoughts about this trade?!

I really think it's an interesting idea.

[RoxFan08]

Eh, Houston likes the defense of Chuck Hayes platooned with the explosive offense of Luis Scola. They don't really need to trade for Murphy's longer deal. Yes he shoots the 3, but Houston doesn't really need that right now. In McGrady's absence, Scola is scoring something around 16-17 ppg. Why screw up our chemistry? We're on a 5 game winning streak.

[Play_Smart!]

what's the incentive for Houston to take on Murphy's contract again?

[ecuhus1981]

I avoided reading this thread for awhile (didn't think these 3 were good trading partners), but this is solid.

Questions:

1) Can IND survive with JO and Foster as their only trees? Their system doesn't require alot of size inside, but if JO went down, it would be worrisome for them.

2) Does HOU feel that the T-Mac-Yao combo is here to stay? If so, they should take this deal. Even though they add salary, this is the perfe3ct small deal that can transform them without gutting their core.

3) Um...... yeah, this is a no-brainer for MEM. Good stuff, Bit's, and don't be a stranger.

[Bit's]

Can IND survive with JO and Foster as their only trees? Their system doesn't require alot of size inside, but if JO went down, it would be worrisome for them.

Yeah, it's not too much. But I think Ike Diogu can play some minutes at center against some teams. And probably Daniels or Rush would lose playing time with this trade, we can trade one of then for a decent big man.

Good stuff, Bit's, and don't be a stranger.

Thanks ecuhus.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I'd like to see this happen, lets get some more opinions.

[Mr. E]

The Rockets do not do this.

This isn't a bad trade idea, no one is getting screwed in this, but what it does is address what was preceived to be the Rockets areas of need while ignoring the current reality of the team.

Troy Murphy would do well here, but we currently have Chuck Hayes playing well, and Luis Scola is acclimating to the NBA quicker than anyone thought that he would. Adding Murphy would hinder his development.

Mighty Mouse may have something left in the tank, but people who follow the Rockets know that Rafer Alston is having a very good season - he has adapted to Adelman's system nicely and his play has steadily improved this season. On the bench we have Aaron Brooks, who has been getting more and more playing time and has also been developing quite nicely. Just as with Luis Scola, adding Mighty Mouse would hinder Brooks' development.

An interesting idea, but we have no incentive to take on Murphy's contract, especially when you consider that this will be harmful to two of our most important developing talents.

[ecuhus1981]

^

You're right, the Rockets don't need long-range shooting and depth from the PF/C position, nor do they need court vision at the PG spot. They already have 7-8 good guys, and any championship team knows that the rest of the bench is supposed to stink, so as not to disrupt the harmony of the rotation.

Houston is just fine the way it is...

[Mr. E]

:roll:

See - it is the inclusion of the little "rolly-eyes" which completely legitimizes your post. Awesome!

Is Houston fine the way that it is? No. They've underperformed as they've tried to learn the new system. It's taken much longer than they anticipated, but they're starting to turn the corner. That doesn't mean that they should go and add a big contract just for the sake of "shaking things up" just when they're starting to get into a groove.

The solution should not be to push Scola or Brooks further down the depth chart if it means taking on unnecessary cap obligations. Murphy and Stoudamire do not add enough to what Houston already has to justify this. If adding those two to the team pushed Houston over the top then I'd say do it...but they don't. All that happens, as I pointed out before, is that we add contract and hinder the development of our two best young players. That is the reason for not doing this deal from Houston's standpoint.

I tried to work a rolly-eyes of my own into this post, but I just couldn't figure out where to use it. I hope that you understand.

[RoxFan08]

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QFT