Bulls @ Sixers 1/11/08

[SendEm]

Roy dunked on Dalembert...

Roy gets into the lane whenever he wants off of the dribble, he finishes strong and penetrates the defense consitantly unlike Iggy. Roy is doing all of that with quality players on his team, Iggy's numbers will only go DOWN with quality players on his team because he will no longer be allowed to shoot 15 pull up jumpers a game.

[Mik317]

I don't think I even said that they lock in on him.....WHat I said was that they pack in the defense and force him to beat them from the outside. This was said when you brought up the Nocioni drive ( which was a awesome move that if most guys tried it it would go in maybe 30% percent of the time) and compare it to an Iggy drive.

here's the deal

Get five friends
tell them to satnd around near the post
and try to drive in for a layup

does this without fouling, turning over the ball and you have to make the shot. Try it until you make it. Get back to me on that one.

[Mik317]

His numbers wouldn't go down they would go up. Because then He'd be free to do what he does best ( run and Jump and hit open shots). Better teammates mean easier shot attempts. YAY!

and If they do go down it just beacuse he doesn't HAVE TO take as many shots....... less shots=less points most of the time.


edit:
ooooh One dunk...Iggy has dunk on people that has been proven in other topics you just didn't want to admit that. but might point was the ability to dunk on people doesn't make you great.

[bebopdeluxe]

dabods:

I said a lot of things in my post about Iguodala - none of which I will recant. If he continues to play as he has for the first half of this season, I think that you must consider options other than resigning him for WHATEVER the market will choose to pay him....and some might pay him more than I would want to, because he fills a specific need for their team (as we would potentially be willing to overpay for Okafor, for example).

I never said that we should trade him this season for 50 cents on the dollar.

I suggested that (again - if things continue as they are now, including the VERY obvious way he is carrying himself on the court) we may have to consider something like a sign-and-trade...based on how the guy is playing right now (and with Thad on this roster to play SF), I do not think that is over-the-top to suggest.

I will defer to those who know this stuff better than I do...if the high end ($57 million) is out, then what are we talking about? The MLE for 6 years works out to something like $35-37 million, and you KNOW it has to be more than that...right? So, splitting the distance between the two, we are looking at something like $47-48 million...a deal starting at something like $6.5 mil and ending around $9 mil. That's is probably the max than another team could offer him. If you think that WE can offer him that deal and he'll be OK with playing here for the next 6 years for that $$$, then fine. I think that I could see him saying that if he's going to have to take shorter money in his next deal, why not go to a team that has a chance to win?

And if another team's offer turns out to be better than what we want to pay him (especially if it is materially less than $57 million), do you really think he'll be happy staying here for the next 5 years if we match the offer? This isn't like Varejao in Cleveland (where he gets solid money for 3 years with a good team, and then unrestricted FA). This would be five years with the Sixers.

Have fun this summer, Eddie.

[Mik317]

Iggy is 23 years old and is averaging 19, 5, 5.............dude not many 23 year olds in this league come close to that now aday unless they are named Wade, James and Anthony.....the funny thing is that you guys think that Iggy can't get better....25 to like 30 is the " in your prime" time.....Iggy has two years until he's there. If we sign him for 6 years by the end of that he'd be like 29-30....by then we got his best years and then woo-whoo he's gone.

get this guys YOU HAVE TO OVERPAY TO KEEP/GET QUALITY TALENT!!! Rashard Lewis in Orlando is making 120 over 7 years and he's almost out of his prime. 120 mill............for a second bannana. 50-57 isn't that bad guys not for a 23 year old who can get better...\

you guys would be horrible GM's.

[SendEm]

So you like Iguodala's game? He's a good player but is he worth the $10+ million per year?

You can't get that kind of money when you don't have some of the most important tools for your position and that's aggressively penetration off of the dribble directly for the score and not with the intentions of making the bail out assist. He has proven this season that he isn't a pure shooter, he's not an exceptional defensive player he's really just a pull up jump shooter, bail out passer, VERY good open court player, decent rebounder, and very good defender. That adds up to being a very replaceable player.

[SendEm]

WTF!!!!!!!!! we would be bad GM's and you use Rashad Lewis's TERRIBLE contract to justify that? You are foolish indeed.

[Mik317]

you have to pay for those plus he hasn't reached him prime yet......He can get better and I think he will. He's not the answer to our problem but to let him walk or trading him is just really stupid...that would set us back even farther.

Your guys aren't realizing that NO team has won with just one really good number one EVER! Mj used to get Pwnt by the Pistons. Lebron just got Duncowned by the spurs ( technically he got Parker'd but Duncowned is just too awesome to pass up). Kobe and Shaq got beat by and team ( and their ego's). You can do it with just one, Iggy is the one peice and we are looking for our other.

edit: also Rashard's contract was used to show you that what Iggy is asking for isn't that bad and It won't set us back years like that thing will. Plus Iggy is better than Shard......

[SendEm]

Why are these Iggy fans ONLY putting up 3 figures when they want to tout his stats? They never talk about his LOW shooting percentage, they never talk about the HIGH turnovers and the HUGE amount of minutes he plays in order to get those stats ON a BAD team that ALLOWS him to DOMINATE the ball. Other players in similar positions to Iggy have averaged 30+ points so how do you think I look at his little miniscule production?

[SendEm]

you have to pay for those plus he hasn't reached him prime yet......He can get better and I think he will. He's not the answer to our problem but to let him walk or trading him is just really stupid...that would set us back even farther.

Your guys aren't realizing that NO team has won with just one really good number one EVER! Mj used to get Pwnt by the Pistons. Lebron just got Duncowned by the spurs ( technically he got Parker'd but Duncowned is just too awesome to pass up). Kobe and Shaq got beat by and team ( and their ego's). You can do it with just one, Iggy is the one peice and we are looking for our other.

edit: also Rashard's contract was used to show you that what Iggy is asking for isn't that bad and It won't set us back years like that thing will. Plus Iggy is better than Shard......

I don't really like Iggy or Lewis but lewis has a real NBA skill and that's his dead eye shooting along with his ability to score in the halfcourt without having to pound the basketball. Iggy is not a dead eye shooter and he's not much of a scorer without pounding the basketball and shooting a pullup, or jab stepping and shooting a pull up. Throwing all of the financial numbers out of the window Lewis is a far better player than Iggy it's not even close. As a GM I would take Lewis entire career over Iggy's entire career. I would give no thought about it because you can get athletic defenders off of the street for your roster like Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, and Jamario Moon. You just can't get EFFICIENT 20ppg+ shooters off of the street. You lose. LOL.

[Mik317]

If you had bad teammates and was forced into shooting the ball, which is an obvious weakness of yours because you Jumpshot is incosistant beacuse you just learnt how to not completly blow chunks at shooting, plus you have guys with rock hands and bad floor spacing you too will have bad FG% and lots o turnovers.

what do you want from Iggy? You want him to NOT try to be the man even thought he is the best player on the team? or do you want him to try his best to transform into your Idol Scottie Pippen? Your problem is that your expecting Iggy to play like someone he's never been. Change is hard, son. These things take time. Get some patience and stip filling up the board with inane dribble like " Iggy needs to go hard, or don't go at all" lOL" Why are you so Butt-hurt over the guy? eh? Iggy is our best player.........you don't get rid of your best player.......oh wait..........well you don't do it twice beacuse then your stuck being a crap team for decades until you land the next big thing.

edit: I lose? LOL?

wow......

Iggy has an NBA skill, two infact ( Leaping and Defense) no matter how much you so he doesn't. The fact that your using Jamario Moon and Raja Bell and Bruce Bowen is just sad. all three of those dudes haven't done even close to what Iggy's done. Bowen has chips because of Duncan. and Bell is only relevant because of Nash. Moon can leap....but is a career backup.....who can leap..(HOLY SHOT at this dude, tho). Iggy is and will have better careers tahn them tho.

[SendEm]

If you had bad teammates and was forced into shooting the ball, which is an obvious weakness of yours because you Jumpshot is incosistant beacuse you just learnt how to not completly blow chunks at shooting, plus you have guys with rock hands and bad floor spacing you too will have bad FG% and lots o turnovers.

what do you want from Iggy? You want him to NOT try to be the man even thought he is the best player on the team? or do you want him to try his best to transform into your Idol Scottie Pippen? Your problem is that your expecting Iggy to play like someone he's never been. Change is hard, son. These things take time. Get some patience and stip filling up the board with inane dribble like " Iggy needs to go hard, or don't go at all" lOL" Why are you so Butt-hurt over the guy? eh? Iggy is our best player.........you don't get rid of your best player.......oh wait..........well you don't do it twice beacuse then your stuck being a crap team for decades until you land the next big thing.

I don't make excuses for cowardice as you do. Iggy will NEVER outgrow or change his cowardice. It will ALWAYS rear its cowardly head at the WORST moments. This is also a reason why he is nothing but a #3-4 because his heart pumps kool-aid. Iggy is Mr. Candy Man when it comes to finishing around the basket with defenders in the area. He also pulls disappearing acts regularly. Iggy is NOT important enough to a franchise for a GM to not absolutely jump at the FIRST opportunity to trade him that will make the franchise more competitive, talented, etc.

For example Iggy and Utah's #1 would be gone TOMORROW for Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowery. I'm not even sure if Kyle Lowery is even a true NBA player yet but Rudy Gay is and he's only improving while Iggy has obviously plateaued while being older and more NBA experienced than Gay. In fact I would consider Iggy and the Utah #1 for Gay and a garbage player. Iggy's effect on the game can easily be SURPASSED by Gay and a live body OFF OF THE STREET like Jamario Moon.

[ITK9]

Thad Young should NOT play more minutes than Lou Williams.

[Mik317]

I'm beginning to think that my sig is true.........

It's not cowardice, It's **** smart. Your telling me if you could try to miss guys in midair or try to see if your shot is falling today instead of driving in like a mad bull and **** yourself up. you'd rather **** yourself up? Yeah that's smart, my career is ending but I was no punk.

Your insulting Iggy's heart and ****, with no evidence. makes me think that you really hate Iggy to the core. The man hasn't done **** to you. and it's really childish to virtually call him a bitch repeatedly.

**** that Rudy Gay **** because their team is worse than our and they have a former all star on their team BUt no it's all Iggy's fault that we're bad and it's not that fact that he has no one to defer to when his shot isn't going down and thus has to force his shot on.
Iggy isn't perfect, I know that and I do think that he has digressed a bit but I'm a realist and I know why it's soo different from last year. I can see his flaws without harping on them and only them. Hell; I can see the positive from any player. I know that Iggy is one of the better young talent in the NBA, Kobe says it. AI says it. and obviously the bigger minds of the league knows it. I belive that he can get better.

I'm done arguing with a person who obviously has some personal issues with Dre'. Plus it's 3 o'clock. We both need to get lives. Peace and Good night.

[ITK9]

Iggy ... does not pass well

how many sixers games have you watch in your life?

[SendEm]

Iggy's flaws are not the biggest deal in the world until he and his agent expect to get paid like those flaws do not exist. Iggy is easily replaceable every off season with players of varying ages and levels of experience. The Toronto Raptors have a few of those players, Delfino, Moon, and Parker can all replace Iggy on good teams and they were acquired off of the street and Delfino for two second rounders. The SF/SG position could be 21 or 36 years of age it really doesn't matter when he isn't a special player to begin with, as long as you have the other components in place. Iggy isn't special so you can replace him with players off of the street as long as other more important players are on the roster like a playmaker, perimeter scorer, and post scorer. Iggy is just a utility player, nothing special...

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

He's a utility player that has the potential to score the ball. Like Sammy though, he may never live up to his potential.

[Raskolnikov]

Lewis has "real NBA skills" huh, while Iggy's skills are phantom and hold no value with this team.

[Raskolnikov]

He's a utility player that has the potential to score the ball. Like Sammy though, he may never live up to his potential.

What was his potential to begin with? Was it not the 76ers fans who tried to force Iggy to become what he isn't? I have no problem paying the 2nd fiddle 10M per year, as we SHOULD be able to bring in the star through the draft or free agency. I am not sure what flaws people see in Iggy that he can't even hold the 2nd star status, maybe I am missing something.

[tk76]

Naccioni had a good game... bud he hacked the crap out if Dala and young. I don't mid the slapping, but the undercuts and pushing guys when they are in the air is an injury waiting to happen.

I know a lot of you don't have the best memories of DC- but he would have put Nocc down for the count within the flow of the game, and the message would have sent.

I don't know why Evans doesn't act as an enforcer. He has the game, the build and 6 fouls to give, but doesn't ever seem to send a message to defend our palyers. This is at least the second game (Lee on the Knicks) where an oponent has undercut our player in the air leading tro injury and no one stood up for them.

I'm glad we are not a bunch of thugs like the Pacers or old Knicks- but a good hard foul within the flow of the game is sometimes needed to keep the other team honest.