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Post#1 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:18 pm

Chicago Trades:
Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich, Andres Nocioni, Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, and 2009 1st Round Pick (lotto protected)

Chicago Receives:
Emeka Okafor, Jason Richardson,Ronnie Brewer, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Eric Snow, and Othella Harrington

2008 1st Round Draft Pick: OJ Mayo
2008 2nd Round Draft Pick: Richard Roby

PG: OJ Mayo/Chris Duhon/Eric Snow
SG: Ronnie Brewer/Larry Hughes/JamesOn Curry
SF: Jason Richardson/Thabo Sefolosha/Richard Roby
PF: Drew Gooden/Tyrus Thomas/Othella Harrington
C: Emeka Okafor/Joakim Noah/Aaron Gray

Clevland Trades:
Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Eric Snow and Cedric Simmons

Clevland Receives:
Kirk Hinrich, Ben Wallace, and Ronnie Price

2008 1st Round Draft Pick: Tyler Smith
2008 2nd Round Draft Pick: Derrick Caracter


PG: Kirk Hinrich/Daniel Gibson/Damon Jones
SG: Tyler Smith//Shannon Brown/Devin Brown
SF: Lebron James/Aleksandar Pavlovic/Ira Newble
PF: Ben Wallace/Donyell Marshall/Derick Caracter
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Anderson Varejao

Charlotte Trades:
Emeka Okafor, Jason Richardson, Nazr Mohammed, Adam Morrison, Othella Harrinton, and 2009 1st Round Pick

Charlotte Receives:
Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Andres Nocioni, Matt Harpring, Jarron Collins, and Cedric Simmons

2008 1st Round Draft Pick: DeAndre Jordan
2008 2nd Round Draft Pick: Taj Gibson

PG: Raymond Felton/Ben Gordon
SG: Gerald Wallace/Matt Carroll/Derek Anderson
SF: Luol Deng/Matt Harpring/Jared Dudley
PF: Sean May/Andres Nocioni/Jermareo Davidson/Taj Gibson
C: DeAndre Jordan/Jarron Collins/Cedric Simmons

Utah Trades:
Ronnie Brewer, Jarron Collins, Ronnie Price, and Matt Harpring

Utah Receives:
Nazr Mohammed, Joe Smith, Adam Morrison, 2009 1st round pick (lotto protected) and 2009 (unprotected) 1st Round Draft Picks (Charlotte)

2008 1st Round Draft Pick: Darren Collison
2008 2nd Round Draft Pick: Brandon Rush

PG: Deron Williams/Darren Collison/Jason Hart
SG: Morris Almond/CJ Miles/Brandon Rush
SF: Andrea Kirlikeo/Kyle Korver/Adam Morrison
PF: Carlos Boozer/Joe Smith/Paul Milsap
C: Mehmet Okur/Nazr Mohammed


WHY CHICAGO? COMPLETLY REBUILD. Try and fix there main 3 problems. Problem #1 Undersized 2guard: FIXED with Ronnie Brewer. Problem #2 No Low Post Threat: FIXED with Emeka Okafor. Problem #3 No Superstar: FIXED (somewhat) with Jason Richardson.

WHY CLEVLAND? Finally get a solid PG and get rid of Larry Hughes and his bad contract. Take on Ben Wallace's bad contract but he can add some solid defense to the team. Rumor has it that basically this trade was discussed so why not?

WHY CHARLOTTE? Team isnt getting anywhere so they just add a ton of youth. Ben Gordon could flourish with Gerald Wallace driving to the hoop and dishing it out for an open 3. Deng and Nocioni are 2 very good and young SFs. Cedric Simmons is atleast a project bigman that they can home can pan out. Deng, Gordon, Noc, Simmons, Felton, and Wallace is a pretty solid young core.

WHY UTAH? Team is only a few years away. Biggest weakness is the lack of depth in the frontcourt. Nazr Mohammed gives them the defensive center they were looking for and Joe Smith is the perfect addition that is still playing very well Get rid of Matt Harpring and his (somewhat) poor contract. Add Adam Morrison who with a change in scenery can hopefully pull it together and become the player he once was. Add 2 future 1st rounders as well. Probably takes one step backwards in the trade but could end up 2 steps up in a year or two.

*Just a crazy trade definitly unrealistic but was bored*
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Post#2 » by whiterasta80 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:29 pm

Utah and Chicago rape here. The only thing I like from this trade is the notion of Joe Smith going to Utah where I think he'd fit wonderfully.

Charlotte essentially swaps miserable futures with Chicago while inexplicably giving up possibly the 2 best players in the deal along with 2 first round picks.

Utah gives up Ronnie Brewer for Joe Smith, Adam Morrison (who could flourish under Sloan) and 3 first round picks. For that package it better be Deron Williams and Boozer going out.

Cleveland swaps a PG issue for a SG issue, but adds a major PF issue to the mix as well (no way Wallace can play with Z).

P.S. Joe Smith becomes the defensive C that Utah needs, not Nazr
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Post#3 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:35 pm

[quote="whiterasta80"]Utah and Chicago rape here. The only thing I like from this trade is the notion of Joe Smith going to Utah where I think he'd fit wonderfully.

Charlotte essentially swaps miserable futures with Chicago while inexplicably giving up possibly the 2 best players in the deal along with 2 first round picks.

Utah gives up Ronnie Brewer for Joe Smith, Adam Morrison (who could flourish under Sloan) and [b] 3 [/b] first round picks. For that package it better be Deron Williams and Boozer going out.

Cleveland swaps a PG issue for a SG issue, but adds a major PF issue to the mix as well (no way Wallace can play with Z).

P.S. Joe Smith becomes the defensive C that Utah needs, not Nazr[/quote]

What if Charlotte just keeps all of its 1st rounders instead?
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Post#4 » by CAE15 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:56 pm

utah passes easily, have you seen almond? no way he starts next year, joe smith? we'll keep sap backing up boozer instead. Morrison? why? bad for utah all around imho. we say no.
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Post#5 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:02 pm

[quote="New Jazzy Nets"]utah passes easily, have you seen almond? no way he starts next year, joe smith? we'll keep sap backing up boozer instead. Morrison? why? bad for utah all around imho. we say no.[/quote]

Joe Smith? have u seen him play this year. Take a look at his last 5 games the guy is tearing it up. I agree Almond isnt ready to start so maybe a follow up trade to add a serviceable SG is in order... but like i said this trade is one step backwards at the IMMEDIATE TIME...but could pay off big dividends in the end. Besides i dont think Utah is in the running for the championship this year anyways so might as well stockpile to make a run with in the next couple years

and what do u mean Morrison? the guy was a top 3 pick like 2 years ago AHEAD of Ronnie Brewer.
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Post#6 » by CAE15 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:19 pm

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Joe Smith? have u seen him play this year. Take a look at his last 5 games the guy is tearing it up. I agree Almond isnt ready to start so maybe a follow up trade to add a serviceable SG is in order... but like i said this trade is one step backwards at the IMMEDIATE TIME...but could pay off big dividends in the end. Besides i dont think Utah is in the running for the championship this year anyways so might as well stockpile to make a run with in the next couple years

and what do u mean Morrison? the guy was a top 3 pick like 2 years ago AHEAD of Ronnie Brewer.


Yeah and he couldn't even really crack the rotation with the bobcats, he can shoot but hes about as poor defender as it gets. Jazz have a 3 point whiz now with korver no need to add morrison, the jazz FO loves Harp still no way they give up his grit for Morrisons uhhh... and who cares if he was a 3rd pick, the Kandi man was a 1st overall, does that make him good?
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Post#7 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:29 pm

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Yeah and he couldn't even really crack the rotation with the bobcats, he can shoot but hes about as poor defender as it gets. Jazz have a 3 point whiz now with korver no need to add morrison, the jazz FO loves Harp still no way they give up his grit for Morrisons uhhh... and who cares if he was a 3rd pick, the Kandi man was a 1st overall, does that make him good?[/quote]

Morrison played 30 minutes a game last season and he has been hurt all year? Umm i state he was a 3rd overall pick b/c u act like he is a completely useless player. The kid has skills and you cant deny that.

Joe Smith and Nazr are solid frontcourt players that would do GREAT for the Jazz. What if you switched Morrison to Golden state for a player like Pietrus and maybe a future pick? Now you have a serviceable SG. To help the team NOW and you still have the additional picks u receive in previous trades to fill any remainding holes in the team...

PG: Deron Williams
SG: Michael Pietrus/Morris Almond/CJ Miles
SF: Andrea Kirlikeo/Kyle Korver
PF: Carlos Boozer/Joe Smith/Paul Milsap
C: Mehmet Okur/Nazr Mohammed
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Post#8 » by sendai91 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:40 pm

I don't think that this is a terrible trade for Utah at all really, I'd rather have Mohammed than Collins, I think that Joe Smith would do wonders in Utah, I'd miss Harp and Brewer, but that just means more minutes for Miles and Korver, which is OK. Plus the Jazz get a 1st rd pick or two from Charlotte? Jazz have a stronger interior defensice presence with Smith and Nazr nicely addressing their biggest weakness right now - Sign me up.. Plus, there's the extra marketing appeal of having a Joseph Smith in Mormon land. :)
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Post#9 » by BWSL » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:44 pm

The Jazz already have an Adam Morrison, except his name is Kyle Korver. And as much as I like Nazr, no WAY am I going to give up a guy with Brewer's potential for him.

And the Jazz have NO USE for more draft picks, even if they are lottery. They have the 4th youngest team in the league-what they need is veterans. They've lost more than a few games this year because they're too young.

This deal is horrid for Utah.

And enough with the Mormon jokes, please. Salt Lake City is over 60% liberal, it's the suburbs and the sticks that make up the majority of the Mormon population.
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Post#10 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:48 pm

[quote="sendai91"]I don't think that this is a terrible trade for Utah at all really, I'd rather have Mohammed than Collins, I think that Joe Smith would do wonders in Utah, I'd miss Harp and Brewer, but that just means more minutes for Miles and Korver, which is OK. Plus the Jazz get a 1st rd pick or two from Charlotte? Jazz have a stronger interior defensice presence with Smith and Nazr nicely addressing their biggest weakness right now - Sign me up.. Plus, there's the extra marketing appeal of having a Joseph Smith in Mormon land. :)[/quote]

I switched it from to only a 2009 1st Rounder from charlotte. and they also get a 2009 1st rounder from Chicago. But i agree with everything u said
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Post#11 » by coldfish » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:52 pm

This is generally pretty bad. I can see why other teams wouldn't do it, but Chicago isn't doing this either.

I can pretty much tell what I am going to think of a person's player evaluation by this:

2008 1st Round Draft Pick: OJ Mayo


Not Gordon, Rose or Beasly.
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Post#12 » by sendai91 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:54 pm

uh, Joe Smith and Mohammed are veterans and interior defenders, exactly what the Jazz need right now. I'm aware of the cultural demographic of the Utah population and being a member of the majority faith here, I don't think there's any reason to be hypersensitive about this.. I don't care for Morrison one way or another, but he's a lot cheaper and younger than Harp and even if he doesn't have trade value, his contract expires sooner than Matt's..
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Post#13 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:56 pm

[quote="whiterasta80"]Utah and Chicago rape here. The only thing I like from this trade is the notion of Joe Smith going to Utah where I think he'd fit wonderfully.

Charlotte essentially swaps miserable futures with Chicago while inexplicably giving up possibly the 2 best players in the deal along with 2 first round picks.

Utah gives up Ronnie Brewer for Joe Smith, Adam Morrison (who could flourish under Sloan) and [b] 3 [/b] first round picks. For that package it better be Deron Williams and Boozer going out.

Cleveland swaps a PG issue for a SG issue, but adds a major PF issue to the mix as well (no way Wallace can play with Z).

P.S. Joe Smith becomes the defensive C that Utah needs, not Nazr[/quote]
I disagree with Charlotte essentially swaping miserable futures with Chicago. Luol Deng, Nocioni, and Gordon are all young players. I think mixed with players like Gerald Wallace, Felton, and Sean May it could do well for the players. Luol Deng is still SOO young too and he WILL become an allstar. Gordon can light it up as well. Basically Charlotte gets younger. Besides i think Gordon, Deng, Noc, Wallace, Simmons, Felton, May, Davidson, and a high lotto pick this year is probably one of the best young cores in the league. Just need time which is sometihng the bobcats do have since there current roster isnt going anywhere.

Why cant Wallace play PF? he would only be guarding shorter/smaller players which probably aint a bad thing cuz hes not really a giant himself. And i dont think they really think they swap a SG issue... if anything they solve both issues by getting rid of Hughes. Besides Hinrich can play some 2guard as well.
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Post#14 » by Walt Cronkite » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:58 pm

Emphatic "NO" from Charlotte.
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Post#15 » by CAE15 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:59 pm

let the bulls have morrison and we'll keep brewer, besides jrich is a 2 not a 3. Millsap is too good to have a vet take up his minutes Joe and Nazr are nice but thats a little overkill at the 4 and 5 spots, 5 guys would command playing time.
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Post#16 » by Walt Cronkite » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:59 pm

Charlotte is already a young team. No desire to get younger.

Wallace at the 2 is a terrible idea. Please rework this trade without including us.
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Post#17 » by gobullschi » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:01 pm

[quote="coldfish"]This is generally pretty bad. I can see why other teams wouldn't do it, but Chicago isn't doing this either.

I can pretty much tell what I am going to think of a person's player evaluation by this:

[quote]2008 1st Round Draft Pick: OJ Mayo [/quote]

Not Gordon, Rose or Beasly.[/quote]

Why is it wrong when i say OJ Mayo in the 1st Round. Im expecting the bulls to be picking around the 8-10 range. So Gordon, Rose, and Beasley will all be taken already. and BESIDES im a huge Mayo supporter anyways. He was HYPED big time but just because hes not putting up Durant numbers his freshman season doesnt mean he isnt a good player... i could be misunderstanding what ur trying to say tho...
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Post#18 » by coldfish » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:25 pm

gobullschi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Why is it wrong when i say OJ Mayo in the 1st Round. Im expecting the bulls to be picking around the 8-10 range. So Gordon, Rose, and Beasley will all be taken already. and BESIDES im a huge Mayo supporter anyways. He was HYPED big time but just because hes not putting up Durant numbers his freshman season doesnt mean he isnt a good player... i could be misunderstanding what ur trying to say tho...


OJ Mayo at 8-10 is fine. I was under the impression that you would prefer him to one of Rose / Gordon / Beasley.
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Post#19 » by loserX » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:52 pm

I agree that Utah is getting too much value, but it screws up our roster. The going rate on Mohammed is expirings, and Smith would be about the same. If we want either or both of those players, we should be able to make bids on them without giving up Brewer, who is helping us right now. Are we trying to win now? Then what's with the injured Morrison and draft picks? Are we trying to win later? Then what's with Smith and Nazr?

I'd explore a smaller trade for either of the bigs...no need for something this complicated, especially if we're just ripping everyone off.

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