What teams can Portland beat in the playoffs out West.

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Post#221 » by Bgil » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:32 pm

Tue, Dec 4 @ Sacramento L 107-117 13-6 Williams 30 Boozer 11 Williams 7
Fri, Dec 7 @ San Antonio L 98-104 13-7 Boozer 28
Williams 28 Boozer 17 Williams 10
Sat, Dec 8 @ Dallas L 117-125 13-8 Williams 41 Millsap 9 Kirilenko 8
Tue, Dec 11 Portland L 89-97 13-9 Boozer 29 Boozer 13 Williams 9
Wed, Dec 12 @ Phoenix L 98-103 13-10 Boozer 24 Boozer 13
Millsap 13 Williams 6
Fri, Dec 14 @ Portland L 91-99 13-11 Boozer 22 Boozer 12 Williams 10
Sat, Dec 15 Seattle W 96-75 14-11 Boozer 21 Boozer 16 Williams 10
Mon, Dec 17 @ Atlanta L 111-116 14-12 Boozer 39 Boozer 12 Williams 10
Wed, Dec 19 @ Charlotte L 92-98 14-13 Boozer 21 Boozer 15 Williams 5
Kirilenko 5
Fri, Dec 21 @ Orlando W 113-94 15-13 Millsap 28 Boozer 9 Boozer 8
Sat, Dec 22 @ Miami L 102-104 15-14 Williams 22 Boozer 10 Williams 7
Wed, Dec 26 Dallas W 99-90 16-14 Boozer 21 Boozer 9 Williams 12
Fri, Dec 28 @ LA Lakers L 109-123 16-15 Boozer 20 Boozer 11 Williams 6
Sat, Dec 29 Boston L 98-104 16-16 Williams 22 Boozer 11 Williams 11
Mon, Dec 31 Portland W 111-101 17-16 Boozer 19 Boozer 9 Williams 8
JANUARY OPPONENT RESULT W-L HI POINTS HI REBOUNDS HI ASSISTS
Wed, Jan 2 Philadelphia W 110-107 18-16 Boozer 22 Boozer 9 Williams 20
Sat, Jan 5 @ Portland L 89-103 18-17 Williams 23 Boozer 9 Williams 7


6 game losing streak then. About a .350 record in the time span you played them.
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Post#222 » by Bgil » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:33 pm

Denver is just as "elite" as your beloved Lakers atm.


Except that we beat you twice already and our record has been better than yours for quite sometime now.
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Post#223 » by RoxFan08 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:41 pm

Really, this thread needs to be locked. Almost 20 pages of Lakers, Nuggets, and Blazers fans arguing whose is bigger. Sheesh.
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Post#224 » by Wizenheimer » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:03 pm

RoxFan08 wrote:Really, this thread needs to be locked. Almost 20 pages of Lakers, Nuggets, and Blazers fans arguing whose is bigger. Sheesh.


I'm a blazer fan and I agree with this
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Post#225 » by 541Blaza » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:11 pm

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I'm a blazer fan and I agree with this


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Post#226 » by Blazermark! » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:36 pm

I think the Blazers can and will hang w/ anyone. I would hate to see phoenix or San Antonio early, but I think we can beat anyone! Keep thinking we won't win and we'll keep proving you wrong. We have owned Utah, Denver, and Golden State so far. We have beaten Dallas, Detroit, and Toronto. We are a young, talented, and discipline team. We seem to fear no one. We play the right way and will destroy a team who isn't! I doubt that we will get a championship, but I don't doubt that anything is possible with this team! Just wait until we get Oden healthy! We are about to destroy EVERYONE! P-town dynasty is on the horizon! GO BLAZERS!!!!
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Post#227 » by Fitz303 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:49 pm

Blazermark! wrote:I think the Blazers can and will hang w/ anyone. I would hate to see phoenix or San Antonio early, but I think we can beat anyone! Keep thinking we won't win and we'll keep proving you wrong. We have owned Utah, Denver, and Golden State so far. We have beaten Dallas, Detroit, and Toronto. We are a young, talented, and discipline team. We seem to fear no one. We play the right way and will destroy a team who isn't! I doubt that we will get a championship, but I don't doubt that anything is possible with this team! Just wait until we get Oden healthy! We are about to destroy EVERYONE! P-town dynasty is on the horizon! GO BLAZERS!!!!


:nonono: Youre just asking for a **** storm.. Dont do it here in the General Forum


I think this thread can be locked now
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Post#228 » by captain_cheapseats » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:59 pm

I think they could beat anyone. I don't think it's likely that they'd beat any of those teams in a series though. If I had to pick one, I'd say Houston. I don't think Houston is the worst of the teams listed (assuming a healthy T-Mac), but I think the Blazers would match up well against them.
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Post#229 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:52 am

Dear Lord,

Please lock this thread. I cannot believe it continues to go on. Portland may or may not beat any given team in the NBA in a 7 game playoff series. No one knows the real answer. Only time will tell if the Blazers even make it to the playoffs. Let's just enjoy the season and if the playoffs come around, then we can enjoy that.

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Post#230 » by AZ BLAZER » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:39 pm

Bgil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Weakest schedule in the past 10 games, 7 of which were played at home. Combined winning percentage of .425. The 8 games before that included games against Minnesota (.174), Memphis (.286), Milwaukee (.429) and 2 games against a Utah team that was in the middle of a 7 game losing streak. 5 of those 8 were played at home.

Doesn't get any easier than that.

So answer me this:
Do you really believe Steve Blake is going to continue to shoot 56.7% from deep (38-67) the way he has in the past 19 games? Do you really believe that's not a fluke?

Do you also think James Jones is going shoot .540 for the entire season and set a new record for 3 point percentage (previous record is from Kerr in 1994-1995 at .520)?


So, here we are a week later. Lakers have been enjoying a little home cookin with some awful teams. Lets look at SOS now;

Lakers (6) .512
Blazers (7) .509

Portland is in NJ tonight, LAL @ SEA. I would expect those two to flip flop and Portland will have the higher SOS, just like they have had most of the season. Sure does suck having to play against all of those bad teams, doesn't it?

And I do expect Blake and Jones to do well. They are relishing their new roles in Portland. Will they continue to shoot at their current levels? That is hard to say, they are young players just coming into their own.

Let me ask you this; Do you expect the Lakers to win at the same clip for the next two months w/o Bynum as Portland had to do minus Aldridge? Do you even expect the Lakers to win at the same rate of .694 w/o Bynum?

I like what Portland has done w/o Aldridge, and for that matter w/o their starting center, Greg oden. Lets see what things look like minus Bynum for the Lakers.

It really is a shame about Bynum, seriously. Nobody should ever wish pain/injury upon anyone. But you had to know when he went down last night that a lot of your trash talk would come back to haunt you. Lets look at the stats later on and see how things look.
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Post#231 » by BigOrangeBalls » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:06 am

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to be honest, i think the "hate" is in reaction to portlands fans...not the team itself. these fans are asking for these types of replies.


A team that has been horrible for the past 4 years goes on a long winning streak. Of course the fans of that team will get excited.

Now, some have become a little too excited, it is true. :rofl:

However, this is a fun team to watch. Kind of like the Warriors were last year in the playoffs, but with staying power...
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Post#232 » by Bgil » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:56 am

I would expect those two to flip flop and Portland will have the higher SOS, just like they have had most of the season.


Portland didn't have the harder SOS for most of the season (so far), the Lakers have.

Sure does suck having to play against all of those bad teams, doesn't it?


Who said it sucked? Portland still amassed their winning streak against a schedule with a SOS of <.440 while playing 11 of 17 at home. The Lakers could play Minnesota and Miami every game from now on and it wouldn't change that fact.

Lets look at SOS now;

Lakers (6) .512
Blazers (7) .509


Blazers margin is still the lowest of any team with a winning record and the Lakers still have the 3rd highest margin.

<2ppg vs 6.5ppg

That is hard to say, they are young players just coming into their own.


No it isn't. Either you think James Jones will set a record for 3 point percentage in a single season (or be highly ranked) or he won't. It's pretty simple but you're just dodging the question like everyone else has.

Let me ask you this; Do you expect the Lakers to win at the same clip for the next two months w/o Bynum as Portland had to do minus Aldridge?


No. Portland played a home loaded <.440 schedule ( + Utah and their 6 games losing streak (5-11 for the month)) while the Lakers play 12 road games in Feb with only 3 home games. Even with Bynum they wouldn't have continued the same winning pace.

The next 4 games for the Lakers are as hard or harder than ANYTHING POR will face all year. Phoenix, Denver, Dallas, San Antonio. Two at home and two away. Between now and March they play 7 home games and 15 on the road.

The Lakers potentially losing a lot of games during an insanely hard schedule doesn't make Portland's cupcake 17-1 schedule and more solid. you might as well give that one up.

But you had to know when he went down last night that a lot of your trash talk would come back to haunt you.


What trash talk? This is where you guys have issues. Stating that Portland played an extremely soft and fortunate schedule while having their role players shoot at CLEARLY UNSUSTAINABLE rates is not "trash talk"... it's statistical fact. Stating that the sky is blue when it is actually blue is not trash talk.

If you want to say we're not this or that without Bynum then fine. Unlike Blazer fans, I don't see Lakers fans (including myself) taking it personal. Hell, many of us will probably agree with you.

Without a center that can at least catch a pass and reliably make a bucket we are a .540 team, especially with Vlade, Mihm, and Sasha hurt too.
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Post#233 » by farzi » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:50 am

You seem to LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE that SoS number. Portland had the number ONE SoS partway through the streak (at the time atleast).

You rag on Utah, saying those games we beat them are meaningless because they were in the midst of a rough streak. The 3 games we beat them...had the outcome been different, would completely change the division standings. Give them 3 wins, give us 3 losses, and they're 1st in their division, and 3-4th in the west. They're in the 9th seed BECAUSE WE BEAT THEM.

Boston has had a, as you so cutely put it, "cupcake schedule" as well. And while they have taken some flack for it, no one doubts that they are one of the best teams in the league. Hell, before tonight your SoS was 0.03 higher than ours. CLEARLY you've had a much much much tougher schedule than us.

Point differential: Is there a more meaningless stat EVER? Maybe if we were +2 and you guys were +20 it would mean something, but +2 vs +6 means absolutely jack ****. Winning by 2 points gives you just as many tally's in the W column as winning by 6. Shooting a couple more FT's in the last couple of seconds doesn't mean you're a better team, believe it or not.

3 point shooting: This seems to be a BIG deal to you. Does our 4th player off the bench shooting a high % diminish what the rest of the team is doing? He's (James Jones) getting wide open looks, and knocking them down. He's having a career year. I'm sure no one in the history of sports has EVER had a career year before. In the same vein, how do we know Bynum can maintain the pace he's on. Before this season he's shown he's only a backup center. Surely you don't think he can maintain this do you?!?!?!?!

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Post#234 » by m1kenoff » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:31 am

Lakers + Blazers = Fun to watch.
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Post#235 » by Bgil » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:36 am

Portland had the number ONE SoS partway through the streak (at the time atleast).


When? Can you explain how that counters the fact that your 17-1 streak (the vast majority of your wins) were against <.4X0 competition and a slumping Utah Jazz team?

You rag on Utah, saying those games we beat them are meaningless because they were in the midst of a rough streak. The 3 games we beat them...had the outcome been different, would completely change the division standings. Give them 3 wins, give us 3 losses, and they're 1st in their division, and 3-4th in the west. They're in the 9th seed BECAUSE WE BEAT THEM.

YOUR DIVISION SUCKS!

They'd be 25-14 if they had beaten you all 4 times. That's good enough for first in your weak ass division but they'd still be worse (record-wise) than 3 teams in the Southwest and two teams in the Pacific. In other words, they'd still have the 6th best record in the west. That's just barely in the upper half of the Western Conference. Only reason they'd have the 4th seed is because of the same reason you have it now... the messed up playoff system.

FYI, had they beaten you all three more times they still would have only been 8-8 for the month.

Since were on the topic of Utah and how unbelievably awesome you think they are... They're 6-14 on the road. They've won their last 4 and they're still in 9th place. Even not including the games they played you, they went 4-9 in December. This isn't Utah of last season or even Utah of early this season.

They sucked really bad for a solid stretch of games and you guys got lucky enough to get all your games in against them in that stretch. Good job, it should help you come playoff time if they crawl back in to the playoff picture.

Boston has had a, as you so cutely put it, "cupcake schedule" as well. And while they have taken some flack for it, no one doubts that they are one of the best teams in the league.


If they took flack for it despite having three superstars and BLOWING TEAMS OUT to the tune of a 12 point margin then why are you so upset about taking the same flack? Your team is led by players still on their rookie contracts and your winning margin is the lowest of any team with a wining record. "Flack" should be expected. Especially when you guys are running around claiming you could be anyone but SA and PHX.

Hell, before tonight your SoS was 0.03 higher than ours. CLEARLY you've had a much much much tougher schedule than us.


Yes, but 75% of your wins come from a streak of sub .440 opponents and you played over 60% of those games at home. Let's not forget your 6-11 record on the road compared to our 11-6 record on the road. Again look at the margin of victory.

Point differential: Is there a more meaningless stat EVER? Maybe if we were +2 and you guys were +20 it would mean something, but +2 vs +6 means absolutely jack ****.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger ... order=true
Sorted by margin of victory it clearly shows a ranking VERY similar to how most people would currently rank the teams play so far this season.

Likewise a reverse raning tells you who's the worst in most people's minds:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger ... rder=false

FYI the point difference between our 6.5 and your 1.1 is about the same as between you guys and the Grizzles or Bobcats. Or between the Nets and the Wolves. It's a pretty good indicator of how throughly you dominate the teams you've played.

And keep in mind that it's not just 5.5 points in one game but 5.5. points in EVERY GAME. A team you squeeze out a 2 point win against we beat by a comfortable 7 or 8 points. That's the difference.

3 point shooting: This seems to be a BIG deal to you. Does our 4th player off the bench shooting a high % diminish what the rest of the team is doing?


Nope, it doesn't diminish the fact that Steve Blake, your starting PG, is shooting just as well over the same period of games.

I'm sure no one in the history of sports has EVER had a career year before.


Not a career year at .532 from the 3 point line. IIRC Kerr hit 52% in one of the years the line was moved in and he was playing with Jordan.

In the same vein, how do we know Bynum can maintain the pace he's on.


You don't. Still doesn't make it a sane assumption that your starting PG and leading bench scorer will continue to shoot record breaking 3 point percentages though.

Before this season he's shown he's only a backup center.


Actually he was selected 10th in the draft, he started many games last year and did well, and many people (including the Lakers front office) have always expected greatness from him. Can you say the same about James Jones or Steve Blake? Notice you don't see me saying LeMarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy is a fluke?

Surely you don't think he can maintain this do you?!?!?!?!


Maintain what? 13 and 10? Even on nearly 60% shooting that's not exactly record breaking numbers. You keep trying to draw out similarities between our teams when there clearly aren't any. Bynum's numbers as evidenced by history are far more sustainable than the 3 pont shooting of James Jones and Steve Blake.
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Post#236 » by Griever24 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:22 am

Bgil ... you just totally owned this thread

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Post#237 » by farzi » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:04 am

Not really, he's just repeated the same hater garbage over 20 pages.
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Post#238 » by Ballings7 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:13 am

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Post#239 » by emus » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:26 pm

Griever24 wrote:Bgil ... you just totally owned this thread

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If by owning you mean giving wrong and misleading info, then yes he did.

First, lets start with Utah. It could be argued that Portland started their "slump", which in reality was a inability to shoot from the outside against a good zone. This is why they traded for Korver, and since the trade they are 6-1, with the only loss coming to Portland.

Also, if Utah's point differential is +4.8 they cant be bad, right? :lol:

Second, the current record of the teams Portland played on the 17-1 streak is 319-370, that is .463. The record of the 17 teams they beat .457. To take it a step farther, the combined record of every team Portland has beat is 401-454, only .469, what is my point?

The combined record of every team the lakers have beat is 452-547, only .452......

Lastly, Jones and Blake are shooting a good % because they only take WIDE open shots. Roy is making them much better than they are, he will draw the defense and get the ball to the open man. Can they keep at this pace, who knows?

The Blazers went into a funk after blowing a 27 point lead in phily. They lost the next 7 of 8 then corrected it. In other words, 7 of their 14 losses came in a 2 week span.
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Post#240 » by Hard2dhole » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:19 pm

Blazermark! wrote:I think the Blazers can and will hang w/ anyone. I would hate to see phoenix or San Antonio early, but I think we can beat anyone! Keep thinking we won't win and we'll keep proving you wrong. We have owned Utah, Denver, and Golden State so far. We have beaten Dallas, Detroit, and Toronto. We are a young, talented, and discipline team. We seem to fear no one. We play the right way and will destroy a team who isn't! I doubt that we will get a championship, but I don't doubt that anything is possible with this team! Just wait until we get Oden healthy! We are about to destroy EVERYONE! P-town dynasty is on the horizon! GO BLAZERS!!!!


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