Teams Interested in Current Kings

[RoxFan08]

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Yeah, except Calderon is a RFA and Artest would be an UFA. Big difference. Calderon is also a great team guy and he is still improving. I wouldn't do Calderon for Artest and a 1st. Ford I would though.

Like I said, I think Sac's top 5 (well lets change it to top 10) protected first and Artest is about in line with Calderon's value. He's got to be one of the most underrated players in the league. His defense is marginal, but he's among the most efficient offensive players in the league this year; he's been extremely Nashesque.

[Bac2Basics]

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Yeah, except Calderon is a RFA and Artest would be an UFA. Big difference. Calderon is also a great team guy and he is still improving. I wouldn't do Calderon for Artest and a 1st. Ford I would though.

For Artest and a 1st, the conversation would probably be moving closer to the category of Bosh.

[positivetension]

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Like I said, I think Sac's top 5 (well lets change it to top 10) protected first and Artest is about in line with Calderon's value. He's got to be one of the most underrated players in the league. His defense is marginal, but he's among the most efficient offensive players in the league this year; he's been extremely Nashesque.

Look at it from this perspective. Artest would probably walk, leaving us with nothing, so it comes down to a #8-10 pick for Calderon. I think he's worth more than that.

[positivetension]

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For Artest and a 1st, the conversation would probably be moving closer to the category of Bosh.

Really? I thought Douby and a 1st would be moving into Bosh territory?

edit: Don't forget to include Kenny Thomas. We'll need him to take Bosh's minutes at the 4.

[Crimson King]

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Artest would probably walk, leaving us with nothing.

Why? Is Toronto so horrible?

[Smills91]

I'm a big fan of Calderon, but there's no way in the world he's even remotely close to the value of Ron Artest.

[leo6287]

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With the Rashard Lewis trade, didn't Orlando send at least 1 1st to Seattle which means the Kings would have to wait until at least 2010 for the pick?

Miller's having an amazing comeback and I think proven that he's worth more than just a salary dump.

No we did'nt send a 1st to Sea it was a 2nd and even if we did it doesn't mean we can't trade another first its Back to Back Picks in one trade that they don't allow


and Besides RON PAUL IN 08

[Flash is the Future]

I'm a big fan of Calderon, but there's no way in the world he's even remotely close to the value of Ron Artest.

Good point. I'd wager he has more value.

[leo6287]

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No we did'nt send a 1st to Sea it was a 2nd and even if we did it doesn't mean we can't trade another first its Back to Back Picks in one trade that they don't allow


and Besides RON PAUL IN 08

So Back to Expirings and 2008 unprotected 1st

[RoxFan08]

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No we did'nt send a 1st to Sea it was a 2nd and even if we did it doesn't mean we can't trade another first its Back to Back Picks in one trade that they don't allow


and Besides RON PAUL IN 08

You are not allowed to trade 1st rounders in consecutive years. But Orlando trade their second, not a 1st to Seattle, so they can trade this (or next) years first.

Oh, and Artest's value is most definitely less than Calderon's. Sacramento fans (or at least Smills and Bac2Basics) seem to have an extremely inflated value of their own players' worth to other teams around the league. I'd take Calderon without thinking before Artest, and I can't think of a team (well, Isiah Thomas MIGHT be stupid enough) that would take Artest before Calderon.

[gswhoops]

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In case you missed the point, it was a joke in response to Smills' joke that the Warriors would take on Kenny Thomas for the TPE...

[leo6287]

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You are not allowed to trade 1st rounders in consecutive years. But Orlando trade their second, not a 1st to Seattle, so they can trade this (or next) years first.

Oh, and Artest's value is most definitely less than Calderon's. Sacramento fans (or at least Smills and Bac2Basics) seem to have an extremely inflated value of their own players' worth to other teams around the league. I'd take Calderon without thinking before Artest, and I can't think of a team (well, Isiah Thomas MIGHT be stupid enough) that would take Artest before Calderon.

Yes you can as long as there 2 different trades: ( See CBA Forum)

[Flash is the Future]

No, you can't. You're NEVER allowed to trade future consecutive 1st round picks.

[RoxFan08]

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Yes you can as long as there 2 different trades: ( See CBA Forum)

What Flash said.

[leo6287]

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What Flash said.

Alright whatever you guys think... If you trade 2008 1st for player X . doesnt mean it will affect if you trade 2009 for Player Z ... anyways french kiss this clinch Fist

[Flash is the Future]

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Alright whatever you guys think... If you trade 2008 1st for player X . doesnt mean it will affect if you trade 2009 for Player Z ... anyways french kiss this clinch Fist

In addition, teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is called the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a future first-round draft pick in consecutive years.

This rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then teams can trade their 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

In addition, teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#71

You're wrong.

[leo6287]

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http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#71

You're wrong.

This rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then teams can trade their 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

Gotcha Bit*h J/K

[Flash is the Future]

Correct, but that's not what you were referring to. You didn't mention anything about making a trade and then waiting a year to make another trade. Therefore, I said you can't trade future consecutive 1st round draft picks...

[rpa]

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Look at it from this perspective. Artest would probably walk, leaving us with nothing, so it comes down to a #8-10 pick for Calderon. I think he's worth more than that.

You have GOT to be kidding me. In no way will Calderon even come close to the guys are are worth "more" than a #8-10 pick (guys like Paul, Deron Williams, etc.). And let's not forget he'll be 27 years old before the start of next season. He's not super young nor his he a star player. Expecting a high lottery for him is a complete and utter joke.

Let me add to that. You think he's worth a higher pick which means the chance of giving up on (in this years draft) PGs like Bayless & Rose and combo guards like Mayo. Who in their right mind would take a 27 year old Calderon (which is how old he'll be before any of those 3 see NBA court time) or those guys at 20 years old AND who are more talented? Hrmmm, that's a tough one.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Pacers love Brad Miller.


I believe I remember him saying in an interview that win his contract ran out, he'd sign back in Indy for the minimum to finish his career. Don't remember where I read that, or if it was true, but it makes sense since he is from Indy.