Knicks / Lakers - Kwame for Zach

Post #1 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:19 pm

This would give the Lakers a low post player who can rebound and score to pair with Kobe.

and basically for the Knicks it would be a salary dump and picking up a player who can play some D and back up both Curry & Lee at the PF/C possitions.

Lakers could throw in a guy like Mihm, who NY would cut and LA could pick back up.

Zach

for

Kwame
Mihm (cut & resigned by LA)

JWizmentality · Post #2 » by **JWizmentality** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:22 pm

Has it really gotten that bad for the knick fan base?? Doesn't the team have enough garbage?

tviper · Post #3 » by **tviper** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:27 pm

Lakers don't want anything to do with Randolph and his apparently cancerous effect on a locker room...in any event, they need the cap flexibility to extend Bynum and Turiaf...makes no sense for the Lakers...

Post #4 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:28 pm

tviper wrote:Lakers don't want anything to do with Randolph and his apparently cancerous effect on a locker room...in any event, they need the cap flexibility to extend Bynum and Turiaf...makes no sense for the Lakers...

You don't need cap flexibility to resign your teams players. You need it to sign free agents who get more than the MLE.

I think Zach might be a good fit in LA and I don't think the Lakers would miss Kwame. Let me say, however, that I don't exactly love this deal nor do I really want to see NY do something like this. I was just playing around with possible Zach trades. I don't mind Zach, he's got some talent.

Post #5 » by **gswhoops** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:36 pm

I doubt anyone in the league would offer any kind of expiring contract for Randolph at this point.

prefuse73 · Post #6 » by **prefuse73** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:59 pm

tviper wrote:Lakers don't want anything to do with Randolph and his apparently cancerous effect on a locker room...in any event, they need the cap flexibility to extend Bynum and Turiaf...makes no sense for the Lakers...

if that is the case...would you want to do something based out of Kwame for Ratliff (even larger expiring).

Post #7 » by **loserX** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:06 pm

prefuse73 wrote:if that is the case...would you want to do something based out of Kwame for Ratliff (even larger expiring).

Why would they do that? I'm no Kwame fan, but he's better than an injured guy.

SuperflyKnick · Post #8 » by **SuperflyKnick** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:17 pm

Im no whiz but a team with a superstar player like kobe and a up and coming center in Bynum who are already doing good but need a consistent post presence i wudnt even think twice before making this deal. Randolf is a good player just not a good fit in NY becuz of his front court mate who has the same game. Randolf with Bynum and Kobe, Odom wud be scary

shrink · Post #9 » by **shrink** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:23 pm

Personally, I think NYK would have to sweeten the deal to get an expiring for Zach. Remember in his last deal, while POR received Frye, they had to eat Steve Francis' monster contract, so I think that demonstrates Zach's negative value.

I suppose he could help (if Kobe didn't kill him for never getting the ball back once he threw it inside) at the PF, and while NYK's owner doesn't seem to care about money, the cash savings between Zach's future years and the doubling for being over the lux tax would be significant. I think it would work -- it just needs more value going to LAL for taking on that future salalry.

MagicFan3 · Post #10 » by **MagicFan3** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:26 pm

loserX wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why would they do that? I'm no Kwame fan, but he's better than an injured guy.

For the cap space, although I hope everyone realizes that even with Ratliff's expiring, that puts the Knicks at about $20mil over the cap this summer.

DanTown8587 · Post #11 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:31 pm

The Lakers have no need to go and get Randolph and Bynum will command max money. I believe the hope is to use expiring deals to resign Ariza, Turiaf and either Brown or Mihm (kwame needs a paycut though). Zach Randolph blows that up.

Jajwanda · Post #12 » by **Jajwanda** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:52 pm

The most the Lakers will do this year is sign Kurt Thomas to play backup PF and C next season. They may re-sign Kwame Brown for a cheaper contract and have him come off the bench as second or third string and then play Lamar at SF for about 8-10 mpg when they're playing in transition.

The Lakers seem to be kind of set right now, so Zach Randolph would really really really mess up team chemistry.

Post #13 » by **dockingsched** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:05 am

lakers would want nothing to do with that contract

#1knickfan · Post #14 » by **#1knickfan** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:29 am

shrink wrote:Personally, I think NYK would have to sweeten the deal to get an expiring for Zach. Remember in his last deal, while POR received Frye, they had to eat Steve Francis' monster contract, so I think that demonstrates Zach's negative value.

I suppose he could help (if Kobe didn't kill him for never getting the ball back once he threw it inside) at the PF, and while NYK's owner doesn't seem to care about money, the cash savings between Zach's future years and the doubling for being over the lux tax would be significant. I think it would work -- it just needs more value going to LAL for taking on that future salalry.

Let me explain this for the millionth time. The value of a player depends in large part to the team that possesses the player. That part in bold is one major reason the part in blue doesn't mean anything. The Blazers had a player who would cost them an extradinary amount of money and was likely to block the development of two guys the team was pinning its future on. As you said b4, money isn't an issue for the Knicks. Furthermore, there is no superstar waiting in the wings whose development is hampered by Randolph's presence. So while the Blazers had reason to take less than they could have received in order to get the deal done as quickly as possible the Knicks have no reason to rush especially if all they are getting are expiring deals.

shrink · Post #15 » by **shrink** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:40 am

ROFL! Tell us how you really feel!

Now re-read what I posted. Just because NYK's owner doesn't care about money DOES NOT MEAN that other owners feel the same way.

LAL's not going to pay Zach's salary without some incentive.

shrink · Post #16 » by **shrink** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:41 am

What is it with you #1? You seem so angry with so many people on these boards! Heck, even moocow had to ask you to tone it down! Its just a message board man!

FlawlessVictory · Post #17 » by **FlawlessVictory** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:21 am

The Lakers won't take on contracts that go into, or past, the 2010-2011. Should they fail to become contenders, they plan to use extra cap space in 2010-2011 as a last resort to replace an unhappy Bryant.

In addition, it would appear that Zach cannot co-exist without another low post player. Bynum certainly isn't going to be playing out of the high post any time soon.

Is there any reason to believe that a Randolph/Bynum tandem could be more successful than a Randolph/Curry tandem? I don't think so.

FARMERMAN10 · Post #18 » by **FARMERMAN10** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:54 am

If I was a Lakers fan, I wouldnt want anyone, especially Randolph, taking touches from Bynum down low.

#1knickfan · Post #19 » by **#1knickfan** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:12 am

shrink wrote:What is it with you #1? You seem so angry with so many people on these boards! Heck, even moocow had to ask you to tone it down! Its just a message board man!

Who said I was angry?

#1knickfan · Post #20 » by **#1knickfan** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:14 am

shrink wrote:ROFL! Tell us how you really feel!

Now re-read what I posted. Just because NYK's owner doesn't care about money DOES NOT MEAN that other owners feel the same way.

LAL's not going to pay Zach's salary without some incentive.

I never said that other owners wouldn't care about money either I just wish to point out that most GMs aren't as cash conscience as the people on this board are. You would think the league was made up of a bunch of cheap bastards and one spend thrift the way people talk on this board.