Bucks-Suns Postgame Thread 1/12/08

[Stopshere2]

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Didn't Bogut either score or get an assist on 3 straight trips down the court?

yep, don't know what he's talking about. Bogut hit a short jumper, had a dunk and an assist when he came in halfway through the 4th. His turnover was from the Bell lob when the game was essentially over.

[bigkurty]

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No reason to blame this loss on Redd. He didn't play all that well but he was hardly the worst player on the court.

The biggest problem was Krystkowiak keeping Bogut and Redd on the bench for so long in the fourth quarter. Absolutely no reason for Bogut not to come back in at the 9-minute mark and Redd should have come in sooner than the 5-minute mark. And then Krystkowiak ignored the best offense he had the entire night (Bogut working in the post) with the game on the line.

Absolutely horrendous coaching by Krystkowiak tonight. This loss certainly was to be expected but when you have a shot to spring an upset like the Bucks did, you can't afford poor coaching. And that's what did in the Bucks tonight.

As much as I want to pick on Redd cause of all his BS and that turnover, I totally agree. I kept watching for Bogut to get off the bench and as each minute passed, I kept thinking more and more about how coach K is so stupid at times. A high school coach would have reacted and put his best performer back in, how come coach K didn't? There is no explanation I can think of. What if this were Stotts? I am sure Epi would offer out some reasons for that BS but I cannot think of what he would say. Where are you Epi? Please tell me why this crap occurred.

[paul]

LK coached horribly tonight. Bogut was unstoppable in the post yet he had very few plays run to get him there. He then sat him for the full first 6 minutes of the 4th until the game was virtually gone. Bogut should have had 40+ tonight, Amare had absolutely no idea how to guard him. When he did come back in we went to him a total of 2 times in the post, he scored and hit bell for an open 3. He also played Yi far too much early and he was terrible. I've been sitting here trying to figure out what was going on in LK's mind, but his coaching was horrendous.

Outstanding game by Bogut, very good Simmons and Bell.

[Epicurus]

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You should watch it Epi because thats not really what happened at all. Bogut was unstoppable in the power game, he owned Amare in the post.

I would love to, but how?

Seems like a pretty fast pace for an actual power game. Is it possible that Bogut was flashing to the basket and scoring inside, rather than receiving the ball on the block with a defender behind him. But again I'd love to watch it, because I am convinced the Bucks would be better with a faster pace.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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Didn't Bogut either score or get an assist on 3 straight trips down the court?

yes, but he was a huge reason we were still in. but that last stretch we couldnt afford mistakes and redd bogut, and mo all made them....not saying anything against bogut just saying it wasnt completely redd

[trwi7]

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I would love to, but how?

Seems like a pretty fast pace for an actual power game. Is it possible that Bogut was flashing to the basket and scoring inside, rather than receiving the ball on the block with a defender behind him. But again I'd love to watch it, because I am convinced the Bucks would be better with a faster pace.

He had a few cuts to the basket but most of it was back to the basket owning Stoudemire.

[midranger]

Mo with 30 minutes. About 16 less than average for the past 2 weeks. The guy must be beat. He was awful.

Redd, awful.

Yi, awful.

Bogut, teh shitz. Definitely controlled the post.

Defense, awful. Seriously, the worst I've seen. Every shot was open. 3 pointers. Layups. Dunks. Everything. No one was in the correct position. Just lost. Thats on players and coaching.

Coaching, awful. LK has lost his mind, or maybe never had it. Bogut got about 5 touches in the 2nd half. He needed about 25. Horrible. But, Ruffin contributed a ton in those six 4th quater minutes [end green font].

[europa]

epi, Bogut was getting the ball in the post and flat out dominating. It's that simple. This was his best work of the season in the post. He was strong, assertive and very creative and much of it was traditional post work.

[paul]

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I would love to, but how?

Seems like a pretty fast pace for an actual power game. Is it possible that Bogut was flashing to the basket and scoring inside, rather than receiving the ball on the block with a defender behind him. But again I'd love to watch it, because I am convinced the Bucks would be better with a faster pace.

Nope, he was catching with Amare on his back in the post and teaching him a lesson every time. Very few of his points came off 'flashing to the bucket' moves. You could catch a reply on LP if you have it?

[Dags]

Epi, there were a couple of pick and rolls, but most of it was just traditional posting up. Some were backing down, others he turned and fronted his man for a short drive. But it was mostly proper posting up.

[stellation]

With a little less than a minute to go and the Bucks down 4...none other than yours truly...M. Redd decides to play hero again and then turns it over....what a joke!

2 things that killed me about that turnover
1. Redd appeared to wait to discuss it with the refs instead of getting back... I thought it looked pretty obvious nobody touched him...
2. Redd had 2 guys on him when he went up and lost the handle to turn it over... why does he always have to go at the double team instead of giving it up... everybody else was passing up shots to look for the best team shot tonight

Being jesusboy then calling for the ball after you know you screwed up and lost the defensive rebound out of bounds was the icing on the cake.

[Epicurus]

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As much as I want to pick on Redd cause of all his BS and that turnover, I totally agree. I kept watching for Bogut to get off the bench and as each minute passed, I kept thinking more and more about how coach K is so stupid at times. A high school coach would have reacted and put his best performer back in, how come coach K didn't? There is no explanation I can think of. What if this were Stotts? I am sure Epi would offer out some reasons for that BS but I cannot think of what he would say. Where are you Epi? Please tell me why this crap occurred.

Sorry, but I didn't see the game and thus don't know the contingencies of the game in which LK was facing. And I nor anyone else not on the coaching staff know the contingencies of the players' fatigue or seasonal preferences, so I couldn't answer. I do have a hunch if things were as simple as represented, then LK would have played bogut when you say. But I've learned that things are rarely as simple as represented here.

[europa]

I had no problem with the move Redd made. He was attacking the basket with the game on the line. I liked the decision. Unfortunately, he was careless with the ball and made a horrible turnover. So the turnover was terrible but I don't think it was a selfish play by Redd at all. The game was on the line, he had a clear lane to the hoop initially and attacked. He was looking to get to the basket or draw the foul. That's what you want.

[steger_3434]

I don't think the play was selfish either by Redd. I just think he "thinks" he's the best option down the stretch and the guy is about as unclutch as the come. I say play Redd non-stop for the first 3 quarters and sit him the entire 4th.

[Chuck Diesel]

"It's really hard when you're concentrating on the game to be able to keep all the players in mind

[midranger]

There was another play by Redd that caused a Bucks TO.

Bell had the ball on a 3-on-3 break. Redd was the trailer and called for the ball despite not being open. Bell, trusted his assessment and threw the ball right at the Suns defender. Jonny Mac commented on how Redd should have never called for the ball on the break given that he wasn't open at all.

[Durbanfish4]

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2 things that killed me about that turnover
1. Redd appeared to wait to discuss it with the refs instead of getting back... I thought it looked pretty obvious nobody touched him...
2. Redd had 2 guys on him when he went up and lost the handle to turn it over... why does he always have to go at the double team instead of giving it up... everybody else was passing up shots to look for the best team shot tonight

Being jesusboy then calling for the ball after you know you screwed up and lost the defensive rebound out of bounds was the icing on the cake.

I just remember telling my bro. and dad what Redd would do on a few plays tonight and he ended up doing just what I predicted...that play was one of them. It's really sickening to know that Redd has (from his performances) a very low basketball IQ.

[paul]

I had no problem with the move Redd made. He was attacking the basket with the game on the line. I liked the decision. Unfortunately, he was careless with the ball and made a horrible turnover. So the turnover was terrible but I don't think it was a selfish play by Redd at all. The game was on the line, he had a clear lane to the hoop initially and attacked. He was looking to get to the basket or draw the foul. That's what you want.

Europa I'm a redd defender as well but unless you count his defender beside him and amare directly between him and the basket one metre in front of him as a clear line to the hoop, there's no defense on that turnover.

[bigkurty]

"It's really hard when you're concentrating on the game to be able to keep all the players in mind

[jerrod]

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It's either terrible defense or Larry's dictating those switches, I remember the Spurs game where the big man was always switching onto Parker that game, its mind-boggling.

it has to be the strategy


and it's so dumb