Bucks-Suns Postgame Thread 1/12/08

[europa]

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Europa I'm a redd defender as well but unless you count his defender beside him and amare directly between him and the basket one metre in front of him as a clear line to the hoop, there's no defense on that turnover.

Like I said, I had no problem with the decision, he simply executed it poorly with the turnover. He did not play well tonight. I've been quite clear about that.

[TheGhostDog]

I have to ask a hypothetical question. I see Bogut shot 14 of 16, or 88%, tonight, yet did not lead the Bucks in shot attempts (well, he shared the lead with Redd, who was 5/16, 31%). Remembering back to Yi's high scoring game (12/22, 29 pts v. Charlotte), I see Yi was 14 of 17, or 82%, that night but also did not lead the Bucks in attempts (Redd was 10 of 27, 37%).

So my hypothetical question is - under what circumstances will someone other than Redd be considered hot enough to actually get more shots in a game? Is it even possible? Will we ever see it happen in our lifetimes? (Please note that I am not necessarily blaming Redd for this phenomenon, you could also question LK for not calling more plays for the hot hand or whoever is the primary pg or distributor on a given night.)

[europa]

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it has to be the strategy


and it's so dumb

I'm not sure how many times you have to drop under screens and let Nash make wide-open jumpers before you start thinking that maybe, just maybe, you might want to try another tactic.

[paul]

"It's really hard when you're concentrating on the game to be able to keep all the players in mind

[midranger]

I have to ask a hypothetical question. I see Bogut shot 14 of 16, or 88%, tonight, yet did not lead the Bucks in shot attempts (well, he shared the lead with Redd, who was 5/16, 31%). Remembering back to Yi's high scoring game (12/22, 29 pts v. Charlotte), I see Yi was 14 of 17, or 82%, that night but also did not lead the Bucks in attempts (Redd was 10 of 27, 37%).

So my hypothetical question is - under what circumstances will someone other than Redd be considered hot enough to actually get more shots in a game? Is it even possible? Will we ever see it happen in our lifetimes? (Please note that I am not necessarily blaming Redd for this phenomenon, you could also question LK for not calling more plays for the hot hand or whoever is the primary pg or distributor on a given night.)

Great post.

Its the culture thats been beat into both Redd and this team for so long, that its tough to change. Because of it, Redd has to go.

[Chuck Diesel]

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Oh yeah. Weren't the assistants supposed to tell him when he should get players back in or something? I guess we have to blame the assistants now.

Yeah, I

[midranger]

Mike Ruffin could make me forget about anyone. He's dreamy.

[paul]

I have to ask a hypothetical question. I see Bogut shot 14 of 16, or 88%, tonight, yet did not lead the Bucks in shot attempts (well, he shared the lead with Redd, who was 5/16, 31%). Remembering back to Yi's high scoring game (12/22, 29 pts v. Charlotte), I see Yi was 14 of 17, or 82%, that night but also did not lead the Bucks in attempts (Redd was 10 of 27, 37%).

So my hypothetical question is - under what circumstances will someone other than Redd be considered hot enough to actually get more shots in a game? Is it even possible? Will we ever see it happen in our lifetimes? (Please note that I am not necessarily blaming Redd for this phenomenon, you could also question LK for not calling more plays for the hot hand or whoever is the primary pg or distributor on a given night.)

It's the coaching staff, has to be. Bogut owned the post tonight, could not be challenged on a shot, and yet for virtually the entire second half he was being setup at the high post not low, which clearly means that the coach was not calling plays for his dominant player.

[Chuck Diesel]

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He didn't really say that did he? And if so he surely can't have been referring to his 7 foot number 1 pick who was absolutely dominating everyone on court surely? Pretty tough to forget you'd imagine.

I'm so disenchanted with LK tonight, he either intentionally kept his best player (by far) off the floor through the most important period of the game, or clear had his brain explode. Either way if anyone wants to start a 'fire LK' thread tonight they'll have my full support. It was THAT bad.

He did say it, but not after tonights loss. That comment was made back in November.

[-Jragon-]

I have to ask a hypothetical question. I see Bogut shot 14 of 16, or 88%, tonight, yet did not lead the Bucks in shot attempts (well, he shared the lead with Redd, who was 5/16, 31%). Remembering back to Yi's high scoring game (12/22, 29 pts v. Charlotte), I see Yi was 14 of 17, or 82%, that night but also did not lead the Bucks in attempts (Redd was 10 of 27, 37%).

So my hypothetical question is - under what circumstances will someone other than Redd be considered hot enough to actually get more shots in a game? Is it even possible? Will we ever see it happen in our lifetimes? (Please note that I am not necessarily blaming Redd for this phenomenon, you could also question LK for not calling more plays for the hot hand or whoever is the primary pg or distributor on a given night.)

Great comment and great find. It is sick and wrong. He needs someone that can get him in check. Either an elite player or a great coach.

[Sigra]

"It's really hard when you're concentrating on the game to be able to keep all the players in mind

[jerrod]

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I'm not sure how many times you have to drop under screens and let Nash make wide-open jumpers before you start thinking that maybe, just maybe, you might want to try another tactic.

who are you talking about? the players or the coach?


if it's lk's strategy, if the players stop doing it they might get pulled.

[paul]

Maybe Herb, mindful that Bogut has a contract extension coming, told LK to take him out and not run plays for him when he was in because a guy who can score 40+ is gonna cost too much next year?

[europa]

I have to ask a hypothetical question. I see Bogut shot 14 of 16, or 88%, tonight, yet did not lead the Bucks in shot attempts (well, he shared the lead with Redd, who was 5/16, 31%). Remembering back to Yi's high scoring game (12/22, 29 pts v. Charlotte), I see Yi was 14 of 17, or 82%, that night but also did not lead the Bucks in attempts (Redd was 10 of 27, 37%).

So my hypothetical question is - under what circumstances will someone other than Redd be considered hot enough to actually get more shots in a game? Is it even possible? Will we ever see it happen in our lifetimes? (Please note that I am not necessarily blaming Redd for this phenomenon, you could also question LK for not calling more plays for the hot hand or whoever is the primary pg or distributor on a given night.)

Something to think about here is that in the last 4:50 when Redd played tonight he did not attempt a single FG. He had two FTs and the huge turnover so that's two possessions where he tried to shoot. But otherwise, the offense was going through other players. So with the game on the line, the offense was not geared toward Michael Redd at all. So tonight was a situation where other players were given an opportunity and Redd wasn't singled out.

[MickeyDavis]

Maybe Herb, mindful that Bogut has a contract extension coming, told LK to take him out and not run plays for him when he was in because a guy who can score 40+ is gonna cost too much next year?

Nothing Kohl does, or doesn't do, surprises me any more.

[Sigra]

Bogut missed only 2 shots. One was tip in and he made another tip in second after that. The other one was turnaround jumper when he got ball with 2 seconds left.

Hands down most dominant game in Bogut's NBA career

[-Jragon-]

All I know is that moral victories suck. And I'm glad the Packer's won - that feels nice

[TheGhostDog]

All I know is that moral victories suck.

Not all moral victories suck - you have to admit denying Jack Nicholson and Dyan Cannon their free tacos was pretty sweet.

[Chuck Diesel]

No, he said it about distributing playing time back on November 13th. Here is the article-

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=685971

[Epicurus]

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It's the coaching staff, has to be. Bogut owned the post tonight, could not be challenged on a shot, and yet for virtually the entire second half he was being setup at the high post not low, which clearly means that the coach was not calling plays for his dominant player.

Incomplete analysis--what was the opponent doing to take away the low post? Or am I to believe they did not adjust?