Iggy&Dally/ For Amare????

Salvistine24 · Post #21 » by **Salvistine24** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:03 pm

i totally disagree with iggy the beast...amare is a stud even without those other guys...

he was a stud for phx the year before nash came and thats when he was 19...

if your philly and u are offered this deal, u take it and run...it is so much easier to build a team with a franchise level big (and amare is that, arguably the second best young big behind dwight howard) than it is with a good swing guy like iggy and a solid center like daly...

im sorry but the sixers even with free agent acquisitions are not going to win a championship with the roster as constructed...daly isnt that good and iggy is not a franchise player...

and philly gets atlantas pick in this deal too so that makes it better than the utah pick they give up...its a huge steal for philly and phx has every right to say no (and yes im a sixer fan and i cant believe our fans wouldnt do this)

NewBeginings · Post #22 » by **NewBeginings** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:09 pm

Salvistine24 wrote:i totally disagree with iggy the beast...amare is a stud even without those other guys...

he was a stud for phx the year before nash came and thats when he was 19...

if your philly and u are offered this deal, u take it and run...it is so much easier to build a team with a franchise level big (and amare is that, arguably the second best young big behind dwight howard) than it is with a good swing guy like iggy and a solid center like daly...

im sorry but the sixers even with free agent acquisitions are not going to win a championship with the roster as constructed...daly isnt that good and iggy is not a franchise player...

and philly gets atlantas pick in this deal too so that makes it better than the utah pick they give up...its a huge steal for philly and phx has every right to say no (and yes im a sixer fan and i cant believe our fans wouldnt do this)

Like wise. Boggles the mind.

WizardsWorld · Post #23 » by **WizardsWorld** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:21 pm

NewBeginings wrote:I know his value very, very high, but top 5 high im not quite sure.
CP3
Yao
D Howard
Lebron
D Wade
Not to mention there was a reported deal landing him in Atl this past draft.

He's WAY more valuable than Wade... cmon now...

After LeBron, Dwight Howard and Duncan... I'd make Amare the #4 untouchable in the league... those Atlanta rumors at the draft were BS... Phoenix was shopping Marion NOT Amare...and Atlanta changed the rumor to Amare.. but he was never being considered traded.

MagicFan3 · Post #24 » by **MagicFan3** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:23 pm

IggyTheBEaST wrote:Sixers get bent over.

Amare is nothing without Nash, Marion, and the Suns system.

If we trade Iggy it would be o get a nice big man to pair with Daly, like a Gasol type player.

Daly is not a throw in. He just had a 20/20 game last night and is getting betterand better.

Then on top of Philly getting screwed, we throw in a free first rounder
Thats fair.

@ Philly fan giving Celtics fans a run for their money in the homerism department.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #25 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:33 pm

Heh, Philly would be stupid not to do this and the Suns would be stupid to even consider the notion. After this trade, the Sixers would potentially have enough room to offer a max contract to some free agent (think Marion). Marion + Amare + Andre Miller + high draft pick = phenomenal Philly team in no time.

NewBeginings · Post #26 » by **NewBeginings** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:49 pm

WizardsWorld wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He's WAY more valuable than Wade... cmon now...

After LeBron, Dwight Howard and Duncan... I'd make Amare the #4 untouchable in the league... those Atlanta rumors at the draft were BS... Phoenix was shopping Marion NOT Amare...and Atlanta changed the rumor to Amare.. but he was never being considered traded.

I respectfully disagree. Take Amare away form the Suns and they are still a really good team, as good of course not but still really good. Take Dwade away from the Heat and Hoooooooooooooollllllllllleeeeeeeeeeee Sh**T.

Post #27 » by **Schad** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:12 am

MagicFan3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
@ Philly fan giving Celtics fans a run for their money in the homerism department.

ItB is a force unto himself, separate from Philly fans as a whole.

And this is beyond awful for the Suns; talent-wise, it's bad, but think of the cap implications. Igoudala is due for an extension, and when you factor in the luxury tax hit, this downgrade in talent would cost the Suns in the neighbourhood of $20 million next season. Not even a chance.

Sixersftw · Post #28 » by **Sixersftw** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:03 am

Schadenfreude wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ItB is a force unto himself, separate from Philly fans as a whole.

Thank you.

Teddy KGB · Post #29 » by **Teddy KGB** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:55 am

absolutely dreadful for PHX. young superstar franchise players, especially big men, don't get traded for anything less than other superstars and neither Iggy nor Dally are anywhere near being superstars

inrapscity · Post #30 » by **inrapscity** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:09 am

i'm jealous of the suns having a player whom is more valuable than iggy+dalembert.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #31 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:37 am

maybe cause its not true. anyone who would trade Iggy Daly and a 1st for amare has issues. Daly is twice the defensive player amare is. Same goes for Iggy. Does Amare have more value than Iggy? Id would have to admit yes, But not by THIS MUCH, not even close. Does Amare have more value than Daly and a 1st? Certainly, but not that margain isnt Iggy!

Think people.

Post #32 » by **Schad** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:42 am

IggyTheBEaST wrote:maybe cause its not true. anyone who would trade Iggy Daly and a 1st for amare has issues. Daly is twice the defensive player amare is. Same goes for Iggy. Does Amare have more value than Iggy? Id would have to admit yes, But not by THIS MUCH, not even close. Does Amare have more value than Daly and a 1st? Certainly, but not that margain isnt Iggy!

Think people.

Actually, there are two first rounders involved. You're giving up Utah's heavily protected 1st, which might be very low this season, or might not be received for years. You're getting back Atlanta's unprotected 1st this year, which might be anywhere for mid-lotto to late teens. That's part of the reason that the trade is disgustingly unbalanced...the OP had the Suns adding value beyond Amare for Iggy/Dalembert.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #33 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:48 am

thats the way it should be.

Iggys value<Amare
Dalys value<Amare

But

Iggy + Daly > Amare

Post #34 » by **gswhoops** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:59 am

IggyTheBEaST wrote:thats the way it should be.

Iggys value<Amare
Dalys value<Amare

But

Iggy + Daly > Amare

Then how about you keep Iggy + Daly, Phoenix keeps Amare and the ATL pick, and let's see who gets the better players out of it.

Post #35 » by **KJ7** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:00 am

But assuming Iggy gets 12 mill a year next season is:

Iggy + Daly for 22.5m > Amare 15m

That's what is really meant by value. I think you could get a 7.5m swingman and make a better combo with Amare then Iggy/Daly so I would have to say no.

And since when did Philly fans all of a sudden start praising Daly for his defense? All I used to hear a season or two ago was that he was a stat junky and how he used to have way too many goal-tends and attempt to block shots he had no business blocking. FYI, Amare has 9.3rpg/2.2bpg in 31 mins being our dominate big man (ie. having to focus on offense) while Daly has 9.8/2.6 in 33mpg. Amare's blocking in particular has been outstanding this season, something he doesn't get anywhere near enough credit for.

I love Iggy and I don't agree at all with the person who said we would bench Iggy for Bell (that's ridiculous IMO even tho D'Antoni has a man-crush on Bell). But I'm not a big fan of giving defensive-minded centers 10m + and neither is PHX.

The luxtax issues are another factor which has been brought up and I completely agree.

Salvistine24 · Post #36 » by **Salvistine24** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:03 am

again iggy i disagree...i think u can win a title faster building around amare than around iggy and daly...

just my opinion but u need a dominant big to win a title in the nba and daly is a nice player but nowhere near dominant enough on both ends of the court...amares defensive technique is much more fundamentally sound than dalys even if he doesnt rack up the blocks as much as sammy

iggy is a good player, no doubt but he is in no way a guy to build around...if u could turn his value with another player like daly into a perenial allstar pf who is under 25 u do it in a hearbeat

amare puts the sixers in a much better position to rebuild than those guys together and keeps ur window open as he will still be in his prime in 2-3 years

again, just my opinion, but if im the sixers id offer everything on my roster to get that franchise big and start from there bc until we have that (and i dont think we will get it via free agency) we wont be going anywhere

Post #37 » by **loserX** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:04 am

KJ7 wrote:But assuming Iggy gets 12 mill a year next season is:

Iggy + Daly for 22.5m > Amare 15m

That's what is really meant by value. I think you could get a 7.5m swingman and make a better combo with Amare then Iggy/Daly so I would have to say no.

Agreed. And that extension would be completely in the luxury tax, therefore doubled...something that Sarver hasn't exactly embraced the last few years. And if they decide they can't afford him, they can always replace him with the Atlanta pick...except that too goes to Philadelphia. Just not going to happen. If Iggy weren't a free agent, then maybe (but then Philly probably wouldn't).