Atlanta || Detroit || Indiana || New Jersey

[roc]

OK I am trying to get JO to Jersey and Sean Williams to Detroit so here we go...

ATLANTA breakdown:

J Chill/Speedy for Hayes/Magloire/Murray/DET 08 1st

Atlanta loses a good 6th man and dumps Speedy. They get back a good backup at the GF a backup combo G, a backup C, and Detroit's 08 1st. All contracts are expiring and if Hayes fits well will be much cheaper to resign than Chill. Atlanta still has Marvin and Smith wanting to get paid so this lightens the monetary load for bench players.

DETROIT breakdown:

Prince/Maxiell/Hayes/Murray/Brezec/08 1st for S Williams/J Chill/Speedy/Nachbar

Detroit loses a great defensive SF and there 6th man energy machine but gets a legit prospect in the middle and mini Prince J Chill. They have to take back Speedy and lose a 1st. Hermmann takes over Hayes role at backup SF, Chill starts, Sean takes over Maxiell's spot.

INDIANA breakdown:

JO for RJ/Maxiell/Collins/NJ 08 1st

They lose a great but expensive 2 way big but get back a high scoring wing, a powerful 6th man, and a serviceable big with only 1 year left. They get Jersey's 08 1st as sweetner. Not sure if this enough for them.

NEW JERSEY breakdown:

RJ/S WILL/Nachbar/Collins/Magloire/08 1st for JO/Prince/Brezec

They get superstar help in the FC, a great defensive SF, and a backup C. They lose a good prospect in Williams and a great scorer in RJ. This deal puts them in the top of the conference with Boston and Detroit.



I think Jersey makes out the best in this scenario as they jump to legit contender status. The other 3 could go either way depending on how ya look at it. This would never happen obviously but it was fun to conjure up.

[VintaGe36]

Send DET 08 1st to IND, and have NJ send a Future 1st to ATL IMO.

[roc]

Send DET 08 1st to IND, and have NJ send a Future 1st to ATL IMO.

I was debating whether or not to go that route. Will wait and see what type of response/suggestions this gets and change it if the majority is in that camp.

[Hunter]

I don't see either pick holding much interest to Atlanta. They've been "rebuilding" for about a decade and certainly don't lack for youth. Now that they are finally in the playoff chase the last they will want to do is downgrade their talent lvl for future considerations. That's not to say it's bad value, but not the direction I think they'd want to go.

From Detroits perspective you have to look at Chill & Prince being close a wash. Basically you are giving up Maxiell, expirings & a 1st for Williams & Speedy, and I'm not particularly fond of that.

I don't think it makes any sense for Indy. Not that RJ & Maxiell aren't upgrades, but with guys like Granger, Diogu & Murphy on the roster I can't see them being all that interested. But making any trade w/ Indy is tough since they are in some sort of limbo with no direction what so ever.

NJ does it.

As a general rule I'm not particularly fond of 4-team trades (unless I propose them ) Find a way to simplify, preferably by cutting out Atlanta. Possibly w/ Granger headed to NJ along with JO.

[Kosta]

You must be really low on Prince or really, really high on Sean Williams, because I just don't understand this deal from Detroit's perspective. They're battling it out for top spot in the East with Boston and are one of the top 3-4 teams in the NBA. Why again would they want to trade away one of their core players? IMO, Childress is a serious downgrade from Prince. Defensively and from an experience, chemistry standpoint, the Pistons lose a lot with the absence of Prince. So now this deal must hinge on Sean Williams, you must see some serious potential here, because not only are you taking a downgrade on the Prince/Childress side but you're giving up Maxiell who is probably more valuable to your team right now than Williams. This deal seems built around setting the Pistons more so for the future than helping the team improve in the present. And I just don't see Dumars in that state of mind right now.

Jersey makes out real good in this spot and Indiana gets back good value for J.O. Detroit gets it up the wazoo.

[roc]

Basically you are giving up Maxiell, expirings & a 1st for Williams & Speedy, and I'm not particularly fond of that.

I hear ya, I just think Williams has star potential and can play both the 4 and 5. He is a legit big and I dont think we can get one remotely close to his talent with our pick. Losing Max hurts worse than the pick I think... but you can't teach height.

As a general rule I'm not particularly fond of 4-team trades (unless I propose them )

You must be really low on Prince or really, really high on Sean Williams, because I just don't understand this deal from Detroit's perspective.

I really think Williams will be a stud big man and those are not easy to come by. It is a serious gamble, one that should not really be taken during the season but at the same time if you wait too long you may pass by what could have been absolute plundering. It could also be a gigantic mistake. As far as J Chill goes, he is no Tayshaun but is not that much below him. He plays good D and is very efficient with is FG%/shot selection. Prince plays better D and has been through the wars so I would hate to lose him. A tough pill to swallow.

A GIANT GAMBLE!

This would never happen obviously but it was fun to conjure up.

what he ^ said

[old rem]

You must be really low on Prince or really, really high on Sean Williams, because I just don't understand this deal from Detroit's perspective. They're battling it out for top spot in the East with Boston and are one of the top 3-4 teams in the NBA. Why again would they want to trade away one of their core players? IMO, Childress is a serious downgrade from Prince. Defensively and from an experience, chemistry standpoint, the Pistons lose a lot with the absence of Prince. So now this deal must hinge on Sean Williams, you must see some serious potential here, because not only are you taking a downgrade on the Prince/Childress side but you're giving up Maxiell who is probably more valuable to your team right now than Williams. This deal seems built around setting the Pistons more so for the future than helping the team improve in the present. And I just don't see Dumars in that state of mind right now.

Jersey makes out real good in this spot and Indiana gets back good value for J.O. Detroit gets it up the wazoo.

Good points. I would say the Pacers are not doing that well-and it's too skewed in the Nets favor.

[roc]

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Good points. I would say the Pacers are not doing that well-and it's too skewed in the Nets favor.

I definitely skewed it in the Nets favor but at Detroit's expense. Indy makes out alright here I think. Detroit overpays to get Williams as it is the only way Nets part with him that I can find.

[7r5ur]

How bout we keep Max/Tay/1st and actually play Amir Johnson? Sean Williams is who Amir would be if he actually played. Their game is virtually identical. Even though Flip would probably actually play Williams (Because another team took care of the initial experience which Flip is so scared of), I have a problem with trading for a talent equal to what we've got, just so an idiot coach will play him.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Anyway the Pacers can move Dunleavy and get another 1st in this deal? If we get RJ, we won't need Granger/Williams/RJ/Dunleavy/Daniels/Rush.

[RTM]

I don't really think Detroit gets any better, and I'm not sold on Sean Williams as having "superstar potential".

If I'm Dumars, I pass on this one.

[Scoot McGroot]

I really don't think that Indy can afford to trade JO for anymore wings that need minutes. We're pretty well loaded already at the wings with Daniels, Dunleavy, Granger, and Williams.

I think that's the concept that really hurts them here. Either, they need a PG, or they need a young big to build around. If they get any swingmen, they need a long-term answer at the SG position, not really the SF position.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Yeah I definitely don't think Shelden Williams has superstar potential. Marvin Wiliiams I think will be top 5 small forward in the league at some point during his career and that says a lot given guys like Lebron, Durant and Carmelo are all 3's.

But Detroit has no reason to do this. Prince is a solid role player and we lose an impact sixth man in Maxiell and a good bench player in Hayes for two big contracts who won't play a lot, young power forward who isn't that great, he was such a big stretch at the 5th pick, I don't think hes worth it. Marvin is going to be great I think, but just not worth it.

[ecuhus1981]

Yeah, you guys are right. Sean Williams totally sucks, and it's obvious his inclusion in this trade is unnecessary...

Seriously, if this type of deal were on the table, NJ would cut DET right out of it. I don't see Indy going gaga over Maxiell when they have Diogu, and he's the only contribution DET makes to pry O'neal from the Pacers.

The Nets would MUCH, MUCH rather take Childress than Prince, if it meant not having to give Sean Williams.

[roc]

^How exactly do you propose to get a SF like Chill in this deal after cutting Detroit out?

Atlanta does this deal because they get a cheaper but still young/productive backup in Hayes, our 08 1st, and dump Speedy.

So... what are the Nets offering Atlanta?

I made you your superstar bigman deal and got you a good SF back in Prince to replace RJ at a considerable savings salary wise in comparison. That $ savings does help bring on JO's salary without killing you at the SF.

You have your 1st going to Indy what pick will you send to the Hawks? What SF replacement? What expiring for Speedy?

just curious

You get both JO and Prince and make out the best of all teams involved, no reason to get more greedy.

[ecuhus1981]

The basic problem with this trade is the same thing we have run into with trying not work a two-way deal with Indiana: they don't need Jefferson. He'd be an upgrade to their SFs, but they have so many of them alreayd and RJ wouldn't constitute THAT MUCH of an upgrade to make it worthwhile.

My basic vision is this: DET doesn't do anything to help NJ get JO, that we can't do ourselves. In reality, RJ would be spun to a 4th team (like Miami or Milwaukee) for expirings/youth, but just to follow your format, this would be the "3-way":

Trade ID #4408820

Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Antoine Wright, Jamaal Magloire
Outgoing Players: Josh Childress, Speedy Claxton
ATL makes room for the re-signing of Smith by swapping Claxton's clunker contract for Magloire's expiring, and bring in a former teammate of Law in Wright.



New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Josh Childress, Speedy Claxton, Andre Owens, Stephen Graham, Jermaine O'Neal
Outgoing Players: Antoine Wright, Nenad Krstic, Jamaal Magloire, Jason Collins, Richard Jefferson, future 1st to IND
NJ adds a legit scoring bigman, without mortgaging all of their youth.



Indiana Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Nenad Krstic, Jason Collins, Richard Jefferson, future 1st from NJN
Outgoing Players: Andre Owens, Stephen Graham, Jermaine O'Neal
IND adds a versatile young 7-footer, and (sheds salary/adds youth) from the team taking RJ for expirings/picks/etc.

See what I mean? I think IND would rather have Nenad than Maxiell, and ATL doesn't need a 1st for the use they get out of the deal. DET doesn't offer anything particular enough to this deal, to merit us sending Sean Williams to you.

[Scoot McGroot]

What are the expirings Indy takes on in the last deal? I see them taking on additional salary next year and putting Indy into luxury tax territory if they even attempt to keep Krstic. If they don't, they don't really change their salary situation at all, but have then completely lessened the value of the deal by trading JO for essentially Jefferson, Collins, and a future 1st.


Pass.

[ecuhus1981]

A player of Jefferson's value could net significant value in the form of youth and picks, but I'm not sure who that would be.

[Scoot McGroot]

Therein lies the problem. Indy can't afford to hold onto Richard Jefferson for two weeks, 2 months, or a year to find the "value" they would actually need in a JO deal. We need to get the value right away. That's a problem.


But really, who's going to give up a lot to pick up Richard Jefferson at his salary? I mean, he adds a little more than guys like Danny Graner on the court, but he does it at almost $10 million more this year and another $10 million more next year, while most likely still being more expensive than Granger after Danny's extended.

[roc]

If our entire offense didn't revolve around Rip's running I would send him to Indy instead but...

As far as the remake I still think ATL would want that 1st round pick as part of the deal.

No matter it is moot considering RJ won't fit well in Indy. I had a feeling that would be an issue, oh well.