Kings - Clippers

[VintaGe36]

I disagree.

Bibby, Artest and possibly even Miller are at levels where they could help move a bad contract.

And wouldn't the Kings be "renting" Brand just as much as some other team would Artest?

A rebuilding team doesn't trade it's best young player for an older one.

Also, I keep hearing about how the next couple of drafts are full of PF's. If that's the case the Kings should be able to pick one up if they can't get one in trading one of the players they're more likely to be open to moving.

WRONG, even with Miller playing better this year, you will not sucker a team into taking Brad Miller AND KT.

[Bac2Basics]

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WRONG, even with Miller playing better this year, you will not sucker a team into taking Brad Miller AND KT.

1 - I said possibly

2 - I wasn't thinking that Brad & KT would be put together, but maybe one of the Kings other slightly less desirable players.

[VintaGe36]

Who would that be? Judging by your posts, you don't consider SAR a "bad contract" so who do you consider a bad contract on the Kings?

[Bac2Basics]

SAR isn't a "bad contract", but I could see packaging SAR & Brad together being a positive things for the Kings.

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SAR isn't a "bad contract", but I could see packaging SAR & Brad together being a positive things for the Kings.

3yrs 18mill.. how is that not a bad contract?

[Bac2Basics]

I'm not saying that SAR is a bargain by any means, but I still don't consider him a "bad contract".

SAR has an MLE level contract. Simply by not having a huge number makes him that much harder to be considered bad.

Additionally, when healthy, SAR is still capable of putting up numbers in the neighborhood of 10 ppg, 7 rpg

He's also a good lockerroom guy, and hustles on the court.



The combination of all that leads me to the conclusion that SAR deserves better consideration than to be branded a "bad contract."

[positivetension]

I'm not saying that SAR is a bargain by any means, but I still don't consider him a "bad contract".

SAR has an MLE level contract. Simply by not having a huge number makes him that much harder to be considered bad.

Additionally, when healthy, SAR is still capable of putting up numbers in the neighborhood of 10 ppg, 7 rpg

He's also a good lockerroom guy, and hustles on the court.



The combination of all that leads me to the conclusion that SAR deserves better consideration than to be branded a "bad contract."

He's 31.. His career has been on the decline for several years. Last year he averaged 9pts 5rbs so I think 10pts 7rbs is not very realistic. I can see him have 4pts 2rbs type numbers for the rest of his contract. I don't care if he's a better lockerroom guy than jesus, he's still a bad contract. Not as bad as KT but up there.

[Bac2Basics]

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He's 31.. His career has been on the decline for several years. Last year he averaged 9pts 5rbs so I think 10pts 7rbs is not very realistic. I can see him have 4pts 2rbs type numbers for the rest of his contract. I don't care if he's a better lockerroom guy than jesus, he's still a bad contract. Not as bad as KT but up there.

31 isn't 37
And people were saying the same kinds of things about Brad Miller last year and look at his numbers so far this season.
SAR isn't the best contract the Kings have but he doesn't deserve to be in the same category with Larry Hughes, Nene, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kenyon Martin, and the like

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31 isn't 37
And people were saying the same kinds of things about Brad Miller last year and look at his numbers so far this season.
SAR isn't the best contract the Kings have but he doesn't deserve to be in the same category with Larry Hughes, Nene, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kenyon Martin, and the like

I wouldn't include Nene on that list. Shaq would be a nice addition to a contending team. Hughes and Wallace are pretty bad and Martin probably has the worst contract in the NBA.

I'd say he's on a tier with Simmons, Gadzuric, KT, Jerome James, Radmonovic, Jeffries, etc. Still pretty bad.

[loserX]

31 isn't 37
And people were saying the same kinds of things about Brad Miller last year and look at his numbers so far this season.

And they were saying the same thing about Kenny Thomas, and look at his numbers. Terrible argument, particularly for a guy who's missing so much time this year. Of course he could bounce back, but like most (any?) injured players he's a big negative until he comes back and performs.

SAR isn't the best contract the Kings have but he doesn't deserve to be in the same category with Larry Hughes, Nene, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kenyon Martin, and the like

This, I agree with. But he's still a negative until he plays his way back to value.

[SacKingZZZ]

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I wouldn't include Nene on that list. Shaq would be a nice addition to a contending team. Hughes and Wallace are pretty bad and Martin probably has the worst contract in the NBA.

I'd say he's on a tier with Simmons, Gadzuric, KT, Jerome James, Radmonovic, Jeffries, etc. Still pretty bad.

Really? Abdur-Rahim puts up just about the same statistical output at less than half the price.

[VintaGe36]

However, Nene has SHOWN he can still play, SAR hasn't.

[SacKingZZZ]

However, Nene has SHOWN he can still play, SAR hasn't.

One could argue that statement. Very well in fact.

[VintaGe36]

Nene also has age on his side, and I wouldn't call two completely unrelated injuries, injury prone. He is no iron man, but its not like he continues to have the same injury.

IIRC

1 was because he was out of shape and the other was because his thumb got caught in a jersey.

[SacKingZZZ]

Nene also has age on his side, and I wouldn't call two completely unrelated injuries, injury prone. He is no iron man, but its not like he continues to have the same injury.

IIRC

1 was because he was out of shape and the other was because his thumb got caught in a jersey.

There may have been a pretty serious knee injury thrown in there too right? Or am I just mistaken?

I am not trying to knock Nene, heck, I wouldn't mind the Kings going after him if the situation was right but just by the numbers I'd say they've lived up to the money they are making at least comparably if not leaning more towards the side of Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

[VintaGe36]

There was the ACL, correct, but he came back strong from that, which was shown in that playoff series against the Spurs.

[dockingsched]

i think this trade is horrible for the clips. if brand really wants out that bad, one best bet the clips would wait til he actually opts out before making a move. taking on thomas/SAR is NOT something the clips would ever consider imo.

[Smills91]

Nene also has age on his side, and I wouldn't call two completely unrelated injuries, injury prone. He is no iron man, but its not like he continues to have the same injury.

IIRC

1 was because he was out of shape and the other was because his thumb got caught in a jersey.

SAR has SUBSTANCE on his side...Nene's never amounted to ANYTHING over a consistent amount of time. A flash here, a flash there, SURE...but SAR's been an all-star and when healthy is still a damn good basketball player(perhaps like an Antonio McDyess caliber wen healthy during his golden years in the league) along with a skill set that's in HIGH demand(post offense).