Shaqzilla back to Orlando

[Flash is the Future]

That's a significantly better rebuilding deal for Miami.

1) We keep Cook
2) We get a young big
3) We get a large expiring
4) We don't have to take back Battie

And so forth. While Turk is a better player than anything in that Dallas deal combined, he's a win-now player. And he's not someone that we'd want if we were trading Shaq. I think the problem here is that you're equating the skill level of these players with their trade value, which is almost never the case. If we're trading Shaq, it's to rebuild.

[stick]

So you'd be trading Wade too then?

[Cammo101]

So you'd be trading Wade too then?

To rebuild around Cook of course. Haven't you heard, he's this years Bargnani. IE. Rookie having a decent year so the teams fan base quickly elects him into the hall of fame and won't trade him for *insert all star here*.

[Flash is the Future]

Where did I say anything about trading Wade? He's a win in the future player. Just turning 26 this month. He's not a player you trade in a rebuild. He's the type of player you build around, and in the same class as Lebron, Dwight, and Paul.

[Cammo101]

Where did I say anything about trading Wade? He's a win in the future player. Just turning 26 this month. He's not a player you trade in a rebuild. He's the type of player you build around, and in the same class as Lebron, Dwight, and Paul.

Flash and I rarely seem to agree, but I certainly do agree with this.

[stick]

Where did I say anything about trading Wade? He's a win in the future player. Just turning 26 this month. He's not a player you trade in a rebuild. He's the type of player you build around, and in the same class as Lebron, Dwight, and Paul.

Incorrect.
You trade Shaq for nothing, you have to trade Wade.

[Flash is the Future]

Sorry, I must have missed something. Why again do we have to trade Wade?
And we're not trading Shaq for nothing per se. We're trading him for Diop. Rebuilding does not mean completely firesale the team. It means that you make moves which set you up for the future, like trading for expiring contracts, acquiring draft picks, and trading for young players while keeping your franchise player. You don't trade guys like Wade. You build around them.

[stick]

Then don't trade Wade, let him walk...

And that little idea for Shaq, is trading him for nothing.

[BBallFreak]

And that little idea for Shaq, is trading him for nothing.

And $20 million in cap space. It's not nothing.

Given a choice between dealing with Dallas for KVH and doing your deal, I'm taking Dallas 10 times out of 10.

Hedo, Reddick, and Battie aren't exactly keeping Wade around if he wants to leave.

[Flash is the Future]

Theoretically Wade could walk in 2010, by which time, we would be rebuilt through the draft this year, and free agency (we'd have max capspace the year he could walk so we could sign another max FA that year). So, he wouldn't have to wait to contend. I could see him going to Chicago, but no where else would be more apealing to Wade than a rebuilt Miami. Not to mention the fact that he's a Sporting God down here. Only Marino holds more clout.

So basically you're saying we should trade Wade because he could potentially walk? That's terrible reasoning.

[stick]

Ya your right, trade him for Keith Van Horn. lol

[BBallFreak]

Ya your right, trade him for Keith Van Horn. lol

So, we should deal him for Tony Battie, instead?

Seriously, WTF? That's really, really dumb logic...

[stick]

Considering, that that is what I suggested (Shaq for Battie); very much so.
Wouldn't expect anything less from you BBF...

[Cammo101]

This arguement is feudal because the Magic would laugh at a Hedo for Shaq trade. Hedo is a borderline all star and Shaq is a guy who will play 35 games and make 35 million dollars for doing it. Not to mention we already have a big man who does everything Shaq does better.

[Flash is the Future]

I agree. Neither side would have any business doing a Hedo for Shaq trade. Though I think Shaq could still be dominant next to Dwight, as Dwight could hide his weaknesses.

[Cammo101]

I agree. Neither side would have any business doing a Hedo for Shaq trade. Though I think Shaq could still be dominant next to Dwight, as Dwight could hide his weaknesses.

They are too simular and would clog the lane. We need a big next to Dwight who can at least step out and hit a jumper. We need Haslem, not Shaq.

[Flash is the Future]

It could work IMO, just because that combo would be devastating. But your points are perfectly valid.

[BBallFreak]

Considering, that that is what I suggested (Shaq for Battie); very much so.
Wouldn't expect anything less from you BBF...

You're obviously not getting my point, and considering the way you're arguing thus far, it doesn't surprise me. Their's no incentive for us to take Hedo and Battie. None. They're not difference makers, and they're signed long term.

So, what's the incentive for Miami?

Are we gaining copious amounts of cap space? Not compared to the Dallas deal.

Are we getting a blue chip prospect? JJ Reddick? I don't think he's a better prospect than Daequan Cook. Not even better than Chris Quinn.

Miami is much better off with the Dallas deal. We keep Cook and Quinn and we end up with $32 million in committed salaries going into next season. I don't know how you can possibly argue that your deal is better. Seriously, is ridiculous! If we're trading Shaq, and these two deals are on the table, then we're hanging up on Orlando, quickly...

[Heat3]

I'd rather keep Cook and don't care for anyone we're getting back.

[stick]

I'd rather keep Cook and don't care for anyone we're getting back.

The capspace argument, at least it's legit.

The not wanting to give up Cook, is just asinine.