tor/miami re-do

crzycnk62 · Post #1 » by **crzycnk62** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:40 pm

ok so i was out to lunch with first trade idea...with this offer raptors also give up a first round pick top 10 protected...raps do this for haslem's rebounding

thChange in Team Outlook: +3.7 ppg, +7.4 rpg, and +0.6 apg.

Incoming Players
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
12.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 37.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
9.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.5 minutes

Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -3.7 ppg, -7.4 rpg, and -0.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
9.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
12.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 37.5 minutes

Post #2 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:41 pm

Can't see Miami doing this with the kind of frontcourt rotation we'd be left with. Who starts at power forward for us?

Flash is the Future · Post #3 » by **Flash is the Future** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:44 pm

We like Kapono. A lot. But we can't give up UD for Kapono. What would we do after this trade, start Kapono at PF? The 1st is nice though, and definitely helps to balance the trade. If we somehow get the #1 pick in the draft and want to select Beasley, then call us before the draft and this could be more plausible if we see someone around 15 that we want to pick up.

Post #4 » by **bryant08** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:47 pm

I like this for both teams. UD solidifies the Raps frontcourt with his toughness/rebounding. Kapono gives Miami their sharpshooter back, and the 1st is really what gives Miami the incentive to pull the trigger.

But as mentioned, they'd have no PF. What about including Humphries for AJ+Smush? I think that would even out the first half of the deal too, for Miami fans that still thinks it's a bit one sided.

Flash is the Future · Post #5 » by **Flash is the Future** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:51 pm

It really really depends on where our 1st is. Because we need to have someone at PF. If we get Beasley, then this does make some sense. But there's not really another PF prospect out there. So we couldn't do this unless we were assured of getting Beasley (i.e. after the season or possibly on draft day). Mainly because, our rebounding has been worse than the Raptors. Trading UD for Kapono would make us one of the worst rebounding teams ever, leaving us with Dorell+Shaq as the only players likely to wind up with 10+ rebounds.

crzycnk62 · Post #6 » by **crzycnk62** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:52 pm

ok what about this..with a first still going to miami

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -0.4 ppg, +5.0 rpg, and +0.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Dorell Wright
6-8 SF from Leuzinger (HS)
6.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.5 minutes
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
12.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 37.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Joey Graham
6-7 SF from Oklahoma State
4.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.5 minutes
Kris Humphries
6-9 PF from Minnesota
6.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.6 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
9.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.5 minutes

Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.4 ppg, -5.0 rpg, and -0.7 apg.

Incoming Players
Joey Graham
6-7 SF from Oklahoma State
4.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.5 minutes
Kris Humphries
6-9 PF from Minnesota
6.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.6 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
9.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Dorell Wright
6-8 SF from Leuzinger (HS)
6.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.5 minutes
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
12.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 37.5 minutes

Flash is the Future · Post #7 » by **Flash is the Future** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:53 pm

bryant08 wrote:But as mentioned, they'd have no PF. What about including Humphries for AJ+Smush? I think that would even out the first half of the deal too, for Miami fans that still thinks it's a bit one sided.

That would help. But again, this would be predicated on getting Beasley IMO.

Flash is the Future · Post #8 » by **Flash is the Future** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:55 pm

crzycnk62 wrote:ok what about this..with a first still going to miami

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -0.4 ppg, +5.0 rpg, and +0.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Dorell Wright
6-8 SF from Leuzinger (HS)
6.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.5 minutes
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
12.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 37.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Joey Graham
6-7 SF from Oklahoma State
4.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.5 minutes
Kris Humphries
6-9 PF from Minnesota
6.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.6 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
9.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.5 minutes

Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.4 ppg, -5.0 rpg, and -0.7 apg.

Incoming Players
Joey Graham
6-7 SF from Oklahoma State
4.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.5 minutes
Kris Humphries
6-9 PF from Minnesota
6.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.6 apg in 15.6 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
9.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.5 minutes

Outgoing Players
Dorell Wright
6-8 SF from Leuzinger (HS)
6.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.5 minutes
Udonis Haslem
6-8 SF from Florida
12.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 37.5 minutes

We wouldn't give up Dorell for Graham and Humpries. I'd much rather send you Ricky Davis for Kapono straight up.

MagicFan3 · Post #9 » by **MagicFan3** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:03 pm

Not a bad deal, but don't let the Raptors board see it. They think Kapono is the god of shooting.

Post #10 » by **Schad** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:20 pm

Thinking long-term, Haslem is probably the second most valuable Heat player (outsider's perspective). He's such a good complementary player regardless of the team's philosophy going forward.

Heat3 · Post #11 » by **Heat3** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:29 pm

I don't like this trade at all. Kapono ain't worth the money he's getting plus I like Haslem better than Kapono anyway. I'd rather have a guy that does the dirty work than a guy who just shoots 3 ptrs.

MagicFan3 · Post #12 » by **MagicFan3** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:31 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:Thinking long-term, Haslem is probably the second most valuable Heat player (outsider's perspective). He's such a good complementary player regardless of the team's philosophy going forward.

I'd say Cook has more value for the long run, but it's true that Haslem is up there too.

zong · Post #13 » by **zong** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:24 pm

Haslem + Cook + Joel Anthony for Kapono, Dixon, and Humphries?

Post #14 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:27 pm

zong wrote:Haslem + Cook + Joel Anthony for Kapono, Dixon, and Humphries?

No.

You want to trade us Calderon? Then we can talk. He's the only piece I'd be interested in dealing Cook and Haslem for...

Flash is the Future · Post #15 » by **Flash is the Future** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:42 pm

zong wrote:Haslem + Cook + Joel Anthony for Kapono, Dixon, and Humphries?

Well that's just pathetically terrible for Miami.

Haslem>>>Kapono. Cook>>>Dixon and Humphries>>>>>Anthony. Think it evens out? :crazy:

Darkstar · Post #16 » by **Darkstar** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:52 am

Pass me some of what your smoking if you think that last deal is anything but crap, then your high on something.

inrapscity · Post #17 » by **inrapscity** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:22 am

MIA let Kapono go, just move on already.

I'm not dissing Haslem, I like the guy. I just think that it's weird to let another team sign a guy to trade him back to your team.

Hoops23 · Post #18 » by **Hoops23** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:37 pm

Miami is not going to trade Haslem for Kapono. Haslem can play whatever system a team has. Kapono

Post #19 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:59 pm

Why would the Heat move their best defender for Kopono? That makes no sense Kopono is a good shooter nothing more.

This is a steal for Toronto as they get a guy who is among the best low post defenders in the league I say maybe top 3. Miami would have to start Kopono at the PF or worse somebody else they don't have enough big bodies unless they want to move Williams for peanuts.

Maybe something like Davis for Kopono could help Toronto or Kopono and Garbojasa for Jason Williams.