Mo or Redd. Who is better player?

[paulpressey25]

I can't look at this question without looking at the contracts.

After this year, Redd will have 3-years and $51 million left. Mo will have 5-years and $44 million left. So I have a bias towards Mo because of that.

I think Redd was clearly the better player but Mo is starting to break out here the past month.....I'd call it even right now.

[jerrod]

i'm gonna go with

redd is a better scorer, mo is a better offensive player


i think redd is a little more talented defensively but mo's effort is better


factoring all the other things, i'd easily rather have mo

[Chuck Diesel]

No one with a brain will claim that Mo has been the best player on the team considering how badly he hurts us on the defensive end. He is most responsible for the team

[showtimesam]

I think this team is at its best with ivey bringing it up and then mo initiating the offense from the halfcourt.

I see alot of value if the bucks could use redd to also dump simmons contract pick up a legit sf and maybe some other defensive oriented players.

Ivey/Bell
Mo/Bell
Good SF (danny granger type)/mason
Yi/CV
Bogut/Voskuhl

[paulpressey25]

Chuck, I don't disagree with you on Mo and his defense. Our quandry though is that I have a hard time coming up with who our best player is. It doesn't automatically leap out to me that Redd is the best, because of his weaknesses which are many.

[TheMachine]

Although I am not a huge fan of either, I would take Mo in a heartbeat.

Both guys have their faults, but at least Mo can handle the ball and run the offense as well as score. Mo is very cabable of getting double digit assists, he rebounds better and does provide more athletiscism and leadership, with a higher b-ball IQ. I also feel like Mo is at least a hustler.

If Redd is not scoring well, he can't really give you anything else. It 's not as if he is going to contribute anything in the way of rebounding, shut-down defense, run the offense, or leadership.

In fact the thing that bothers me with Redd, as much as, or even more than the bad shot selection and low b-ball IQ, is his lack of competitiveness, toughness, and hustle. I have never seen him mix it up with anybody, take a hard foul, or even dive for loose balls, wtf? If he is not shooting or scoring, you wouldn't even know he is on the floor. Not a
good thing for 15 mil+/yr.

[Chuck Diesel]

Chuck, I don't disagree with you on Mo and his defense. Our quandry though is that I have a hard time coming up with who our best player is. It doesn't automatically leap out to me that Redd is the best, because of his weaknesses which are many.

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[paulpressey25]

If Redd is not scoring well, he can't really give you anything else. It 's not as if he is going to contribute anything in the way of rebounding, shut-down defense, run the offense, or leadership..

I hate to say it, but I agree with that summary. And that's why he's so hard to deal. You have to find a team that just needs a top tier scorer.....and can handle his cap number.

[jerrod]

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[paulpressey25]

I can see it from the defense standpoint....I think our defense does falter badly when Bogut leaves the game. For so many years we've watched guys not only get wide open 3's on us, but also drive the lane and shoot inside unmolested.....Bogut at least this year has helped stem the tide on the inside baskets.

A healthy Bogut and a stronger Yi next season could be a really good defensive tandem......

[Andre'3000]

I guess it is how you would define better....I am not an overwehlming fan of either player because of there core weaknesses I value in a basketball player (defense, unselfishness, high basketball IQ) but I have noticed something thats pretty undeniable and this is the fact that Mo seems to have a good chemistry with his teammates. Mo seems particularly better with the young bigs, mostly Bougt, but now that I think of it has Redd ever really had good chemistry with any former or current teammates? I just don't see that chemistry at all with Redd.

That is how im starting to feel about Redd as well. Never looks like he is running things on the court. Just calls for shots. Mo atleast tries to get others involved.

[Wise1]

No one with a brain will claim that Mo has been the best player on the team considering how badly he hurts us on the defensive end. He is most responsible for the team

[okanoho]

i really doubt that the mo hater have watched all of the games or not this season

i say both are very lazy to d the 3s, but i think mo has the speed of the other team's pg, while redd doesn't have (at all) the speed of the other team's sg, or maybe not speed, redd just too slow to react although he gives 100% effort every minute on the floor

anyways, my vote goes to mo

[magpies]

Its a hard question, as Redd is a better player then Mo hands down but Mo is a better fit with our current team.

When LH decides what is the Bucks future direction he will decide that Yi and Bogut are which means that Mo is a better fit

[upnorthfan]

I said two years ago and I still believe this...Mo Williams could be as good as Allen Iverson playing the two. He doesn't have the heart of AI, but few do. Otherwise I see Mo able to ave. 25ppg if Redd was gone and he played the two.

He is more firey than Redd. Both would play better defense with a better defender beside them, but Mo seems to be smarter BB wise than Redd.

Redd has too many bad habbits. Mo has some quirks as well. I remember in 2005 I said "the game has become easy for Mo", then shortly after that he got hurt.

But there was a time then and could still become on a consistant basis now, a time Mo plays like the game is easy. When you reach that pinnacle, it amazing to watch a player on such a roll. Mo will do that consistantly at the two spot. I like Mike Redd but he needs to go and play Mo Dub at the two.

And yes, Mo is more talented.

[paul]

The question as i understand it was who is the better player at this point in their careers, and if it's as simple as that it has to be Redd. Mo's contract is better and I believe he's a better fit on this team but that wasn't the question, and anyone answering Mo is letting those factors cloud their judgement imo.
Now if the question was 'who is a better fit for the bucks' I'd say Mo, if it was 'who is the most important player for the bucks' like Chuck D i'd say Bogut, but 'who is the best player right now?' Redd.
As metioned earlier at his best Redd is allstar calibre, Mo isn't close yet, although he's making great progress with his game. Yes Mo is the more naturally gifted player, but Redd is a better shooter and offensive threat in general, although again not by that much.
The big key here though is defense, Mo's right now is non existent, and although Redd's can be a bit hit and miss he is capable of shutting down or at least hassling a good player, Mo is not.

Mo can be a 2nd tier star in this league with improved defense and a continued move towards team offense, but he's not at Redd's level yet. In saying that if I had to pick one to be traded the answer would also be Redd.

[Wise1]

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THEE critical point. If you can't contain the opponent's point guard, your team will be at a serious disadvantage every night. Mo and CV kill this team at two critical defensive positions.

Deron Williams: 33pts, 10ast, 4stls. Game. Set. Match.

If your starting point guard can't defend, you won't win.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Neither one!

Neither one can lead a team to the playoffs! Neither one of them are any good without the pieces around them!

I've said this before. Neither one. Yes they are servicable NBA players with shooting skills but that is it!

Neither have taken this team over .500 to the playoffs as starters. Only TJ Ford did...

The other year they backed in sub .500! Neither should be starters at the same time unless you have two low post scoring threats not another guy who camps out on top like Yi.

I've said this a thousand times. Mo and Yi should come off the bench! Go and get a PF and another SF.

The right ones to play alongside Bogut.

[paul]

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Deron Williams: 33pts, 10ast, 4stls. Game. Set. Match.

If your starting point guard can't defend, you won't win.

Yep. Tonight was the perfect example of the glaring weakness in Mo's game.

[Sigra]

Mo's natural position is SG. He has big problems to play defense at PG or to run offense at PG. He is shooter and should play SG period. It is shame to use him at PG. Mo is SG and better player than Redd

Mo should play at SG alongside big PG that play defense