Do you consider Calderon a top 10 point guard?

[dbodner]

I'm a Sixers fan, and I'd take Calderon over Miller.

[I-AM-A-BEAST]

I agree with Derekman and Kosta. Can some of these people at least make arguments, rather than posting shear idiocy. In what universe have guys like Felton, Mo will, Nelson, Miller and Tinsley been as good at Calderon has? He is way better than all of those guys. LOOK at his stats compared to these guys. WATCH some of his friggin games. Are people blind or in denial?

[Kosta]

I do think it's a denial/ignore thing with him, most fans just aren't sold on him yet. I don't know what else he has to prove, I guess with more games at this level the respect will come by force.

[Smills91]

Can all the Dre fans come out and make a case for him over Calderon? Because I just don't understand why he's getting so much love playing on a garbage Philly team. His scoring efficiency is up at an all time high for him, but his playmaking has gone down.

Caldy is more efficient, can shoot the 3, better free throw shooter, takes care of the ball better, generates more assists in less minutes, plays for a winning team.

What exactly does Dre do better than Calderon?

Why I take Miller and Bibby over Calderon...they've done what they've done consistently over MULTIPLE seasons. Calderon started to come on last year and has hit his stride this season absolutely. I'm not dogging on him at all. He's great...but in a top 15-20 sorta way. After he does what he's currently DOING consistently over the course of a season or two then that elevates his value. Many players have flashes of 15-20 games where they look spectacular and then fade (i.e. Brian Cardinal, Nene, Dalembert, Jerome James) Basically EVERY bad contract in the league is like this.

I'm not saying Calderon will do what those guys have done, (I don't think he will)...but you can't say he won't either. And that's why he's not a top 10 PG....yet, he very well could be in another year or two. But right now, absolutely NOT.

[Kosta]

Calderon's play right now is at a top 10 level and he should be considered a top 10 point for THIS season. It's not like he came out of nowhere, he HAS proved he can play at this level, he did last season as well, just in less minutes. When he got starts last season (double digit in games started) he put up the same numbers. He's not anything like those injury prone, overrated players you mentioned, he HAS shown he can play at a high level consistently for the last 1.5 seasons.

And I will say he WON'T be like those guys, who're all overpaid bigs that had mediocre contract seasons and landed in the green.

And it hasn't been a 15-20 games stretch, his numbers are over the course of near 40 games this season.

[xAIRNESSx]

What's this infatuation with Mo Williams? I like him and he's a good player, but Calderon is just better. Jose can do everything Mo does, but more efficiently.

For this season, Calderon is shooting a better fg% (.505 vs. .477), a better ft % (.898 vs. .864), is averaging more assists (8.3 vs. 6. and has less turnovers (1.3 vs. 2.9).
Mo does get 0.4 boards (3.6 vs 3.2) and 0.5 steals (1.4 vs. 0.9) more than Calderon. His PPG is also higher, because he shoots more (at a lower fg%) than Jose and because Mo is also playing 8 more minutes than him.

They're both good players, but I'd rather have Jose Calderon running my offense.

[Kosta]

If we were basing play off seasons prior, Jason Kidd would still be better than Chris Paul. Paul has undoubtedly been better than Kidd this season and that's why he should be ranked higher. We're not ranking careers here. Miller an Bibby are getting respect here off their past not present play.

[Kosta]

He's great...but in a top 15-20 sorta way.

Also, can you please explain this statement? Are you saying his numbers are greater than his actual impact on the game?

[yunggunz]

I agree with Derekman and Kosta. Can some of these people at least make arguments, rather than posting shear idiocy. In what universe have guys like Felton, Mo will, Nelson, Miller and Tinsley been as good at Calderon has?

I think you can Make a decent case for Mo Will, and you would be able to for Tinsley if he wasnt so inefficient. The other guys though, calderon is clearly beter than.

[TheRaptor!]

For those who said hes is a 15-20 pt, that is below to average point gaurd.

Caldy is more than that. Most are in denial that BOTH TJ and Caldy are in the top 10 (since 22 other teams don't even have 1)

TJ is better then Caldy for sure, hes starting for a reason.
Caldy is AMAZING, better then Mo Will and Dre both play on **** teams, felton is not better then Caldy and LOL @ Derek Fisher.

[Kosta]

I win.

GO GIANTS!!!!

[Kosta]

Yeah, Giants baby!

[Smills91]

Calderon's play right now is at a top 10 level and he should be considered a top 10 point for THIS season. It's not like he came out of nowhere, he HAS proved he can play at this level, he did last season as well, just in less minutes. When he got starts last season (double digit in games started) he put up the same numbers. He's not anything like those injury prone, overrated players you mentioned, he HAS shown he can play at a high level consistently for the last 1.5 seasons.

And I will say he WON'T be like those guys, who're all overpaid bigs that had mediocre contract seasons and landed in the green.

And it hasn't been a 15-20 games stretch, his numbers are over the course of near 40 games this season.

You can do that with ANY player...right now John Salmons is a freaking ALL-STAR level player. But he's in the same boat as Calderon...he's played well the entire season, but that's it and therefore he's not being considered as an All-star and for good reason. He's only done this for 20-30 games. MANY players do that. It's the TRUE stars that do it year in and year out over the course of a FULL season.

[Kosta]

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You can do that with ANY player...right now John Salmons is a freaking ALL-STAR level player. But he's in the same boat as Calderon...he's played well the entire season, but that's it and therefore he's not being considered as an All-star and for good reason. He's only done this for 20-30 games. MANY players do that. It's the TRUE stars that do it year in and year out over the course of a FULL season.

John Salmons is actually underrated, he's putting up terrific numbers in Sacramento and he should definitely be considered as one of the better wings in the West this season. Only problem is the West is stacked all around at that position and he's not going to get any all-star consideration.

When you look at the point guard rankings after 8, there is a drop, unlike when ranking the 2/3's of the NBA, there is just so many good wing players, Salmons just gets lost in the shuffle. The importance of the position Calderon plays is a big difference here.

[xqzt]

calderon no doubt in top 10

[Oden Rules]

99.9999999999999995% of those Canada's Raps fans are all Homerish

[OhMyBosh]

99.9999999999999995% of those Canada's Raps fans are all Homerish

Thanks for the informative statistics.

IMO, he's borderline top 10. His biggest flaw is defence, which is even grossly underrated by some posters who don't watch him play on a consistent basis. It can be argued that his passing is overrated. He simply does the right thing, not what would garner more attention from the fans. He plays a very smart, simple game - pick and roll, pass to whoever is open.

Nash
Paul
Deron
Baron
Billups
Kidd
Tony
Arenas
Bibby (iffy on this one. It he plays like he did last year, then he's nowhere near top 10)
Ford

Those players are better than Calderon when measuring overall ability. However, if comparing only players' ability to distribute, then Calderon is easily top 5 in the league. Tony, Arenas, Bibby, and Baron are shoot-first PGs, which I personally rank a little lower since they don't share the ball as effectively.

Calderon is better than Rondo, Hinrich, Fisher (lol), Mo, Felton, Tinsley, Nelson. I'm pretty sure any basketball fan would agree with that if they have seen how Calderon has improved over the years.

[tetley]

Just to put things in perspective for everyone, here's how Jose stacks up against other PG's in a bunch of statistical categories. Keep in mind that for this comparison I am using full season stats (37 games):

PPG: 14th
FG%: 3rd (Nash, Deron) *7th among all guards
3FG%: 5th (Gibson, Blake, Nash, Terry)
FT%: 1st with .906 (Nash is 2nd at .896)
FTM: 24th
TS%: 7th (Nash, Gibson, Billups, Quinn, Terry, Fisher)

APG: 6th (Nash, Kidd, Paul, Deron, Tinsley)
AP48: 4th (Nash, Kidd, Paul)
Total Assists: 6th (Nash, Kidd, Paul, Deron, Davis)
A/TO: 1st with 6.02 (2nd is Brevin Knight at 4.22)
***If maintained this would be an NBA record

RPG: 11th
SPG: 23rd
S/TO: 11th
TO: 24th
TO/48: 33rd

NBA Eff: 8th (Paul, Nash, Davis, Kidd, Deron, Billups, Parker)
NBA Eff/48: 3rd (Paul, Nash)
Hollinger PER: 5th (Paul, Billups, Nash, Ford) *21st overall in NBA

Minutes Per Game: 19th (30.5mpg)

Essentially his only weakness is his defense. He is shooting the ball better than any PG not named Nash and he is one of the most efficient guards in the league. Certainly a Top 10 PG this year.

[REM]

99.9999999999999995% of those Canada's Raps fans are all Homerish

Thanks for the informative statistics.

IMO, he's borderline top 10. His biggest flaw is defence, which is even grossly underrated by some posters who don't watch him play on a consistent basis. It can be argued that his passing is overrated. He simply does the right thing, not what would garner more attention from the fans. He plays a very smart, simple game - pick and roll, pass to whoever is open.

Nash
Paul
Deron
Baron
Billups
Kidd
Tony
Arenas
Bibby (iffy on this one. It he plays like he did last year, then he's nowhere near top 10)
Ford

Those players are better than Calderon when measuring overall ability. However, if comparing only players' ability to distribute, then Calderon is easily top 5 in the league. Tony, Arenas, Bibby, and Baron are shoot-first PGs, which I personally rank a little lower since they don't share the ball as effectively.

Calderon is better than Rondo, Hinrich, Fisher (lol), Mo, Felton, Tinsley, Nelson. I'm pretty sure any basketball fan would agree with that if they have seen how Calderon has improved over the years.

Baron is sick. He shouldn't be lumped with those guys...

[tsherkin]

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Baron is sick. He shouldn't be lumped with those guys...

But he is still a shoot-first point guard who isn't very good on defense. In fairness to the group in which he was included (Tony, Arenas, Bibby), he's definitely a better passer than at least the first two.

It's kind of difficult to remember but Bibby's actually a much better passer than as which he is often credited being... he's more of a 7, 8 apg type player when he's given that as his role. In Sacramento under Adelman, he was reduced as a passer on account of Webber and Divac having the ball in the post so often (high or low, regardless). Since Adelman's departure and even at the end of Adelman's term, Bibby was looked to as a scorer a lot more than was generally conducive to high APG averages and big-time playmaking. He's an excellent passer, better at running an offense than Arenas and a better pure point guard than Parker (though Parker fills his role in San Antonio astoundingly well).

It's not really a negative mark on Baron to be compared to Tony or Bibby, really. They are both, at this point, shoot-first guys. Baron's a little bit better a passer than Bibby and a lot better as a passer than Parker but he's still a shoot-first guy and always has been. So it's a fair thing to say.