Noah to miss todays game. (Hawks)

[Biggame 33]

it was pretty evident in college that Noah was immature. Maybe a hard worker, but don't confuse activity with accomplishment.

It just seems that the chemistry of this team is awful and getting worse.

Paxson should have traded away that 9th pick or used it to draft Al Thorton.

[derf]

This from an outsider looking in. Relating to the leadership void some of you point, don't you feel Kirk Hinrich should be one to take control of this team from the players end? He has four years of a high level university schooling and basketball, is the point guard, seems like a smart person and player and seems like he should be a good leader.

I've read that Kirk is an introvert, The Bulls have not really had a player with true leadership charisma since AD left IMO.

[Crashtheboards]

More than any other incident this season this tells me the Bulls organization is in very big trouble. I can't believe they let the players vote on the discipline of another player, and then actually caved to that players vote. A basketball team is not a democracy, and when it starts becoming one the wheels are really start to come off. So what is the next thing the players get to vote on? Playing time? What plays to run?

I don't care what Noah did. He got suspended by his coah for one game. He served his penalty. That is the end of it. For the other players to then come along and try to tack on more is just hypocritical given some of their other track records (no headband rules?).

[Addicted123]

I don't see how anyone could take Noahs side on this.

He was disciplined by the coach, and then by the team. Thats at least 15 people who at least know what went on, and there own general concenses says Noah was at fault.

I find it funny that some posters who have no idea what actually happened, could twist this around, and still try to blame it on the coaching staff.

I still like Noah as a player, but the evidence suggests that he messed up.

Maybe he messed up, but I side with Noah. You can only play for this crummy organization for so long before going crazy. You can't take this outburst as an isolated incident coming from an outspoken player. The Bulls organziation has a history of destroying the morale of their players.

But that's fine. Now we get to see more of the $15M player who gets a bell toll sound effect when he grabs an uncontested rebound. I would've strangled a coach by now if I was losing minutes to Ben Wallace.

[Addicted123]

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Look, I am not siding with Noah or what he did. But the irony of Wallace speaking about Noah's outburst when he broke team rules last season is downright laughable. Really seems like some of these players get a pass for things just because they have been in the NBA longer. Considering some of these players are not performing despite that treatment it gets very annoying to observe that as a fan.

As for the majority vote, it is what it is. I'm very disappointed on how Noah reacted, really am. This season is turning from bad to a complete disaster.

That's the funniest part for me..... that Wallace is speaking out when he has a history of being a brooder and a coach killer. Remind me again why Wallace is wearing a headband?

If Aldridge or Gay came to Chicago, I can only imagine how they would be doing compared to their current situation.

The Bulls are a miserable, miserable, miserable organization.

My opinion on Noah is the same as Chris Rock's OJ bit...... "I'm not saying he should've killed her....... but I understand"

Same goes here, I'm not saying Noah should've had whatever outburst he had with the coach....... but I understand.

[JeremyB0001]

I find it completely stunning that people could seriously suggest that perhaps Noah is in the right and the rest of the team is in the wrong. I also find it stunning that people can complain that the team lacks leadership and then complain when action is initiated by the players.

[derf]

I find it completely stunning that people could seriously suggest that perhaps Noah is in the right and the rest of the team is in the wrong. I also find it stunning that people can complain that the team lacks leadership and then complain when action is initiated by the players.

I think the lack of leadership on the team was manifested when Noah and the coaching staff were unable to interact in a normal (coach/ player fashion).

Whether the team becoming involved was a positive or a negative? I have no opinion as I have no direct knowledge as to the circumstances, Boylan himself may have put it to vote for all I know.

By removing Skiles from the equation without hiring a permanent coach, Paxon has dramatically altered team chemistry, as to whether the new dynamic will be better or worse only time can tell. Personally? I prefer a strong coach with the full backing of the front office.

[BullSoxChicago'sFinest]

You saw what Noah was bringing when you drafted him and you had to move the rookie press conference because he missed his flight and spent the time partying away. Then there's already been multiple incidents and late arrivals cited. He hasn't been bad on the court, but even with the Bulls uniform on I still hate him and the pick.

[Hold That]

This story has definantly reached national attention found this on the front page of AOL.com

Boylan called Noah "a great kid," but noted he's been involved in "a couple of situations where he's been late or not doing what the Chicago Bulls do. So the cumulative aspect of this is definitely part of the reasoning for the players doing what they did."

"This isn't college anymore," Boylan said. "It's the NBA. This is professional sports."

http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/noah-ben ... 0000000001


Can't see how you can defend Noah, obviously this article is giving off the impression that this recent incident was the last straw of many incidents that happend in the past.

Can't see how anyone can be shocked, he's always had a prima donna attitude dating back in college. I'm pretty sure Noah has done plenty of things that were just kept in-house.

[Susan]

I hope Noah wears a headband to the next game.

[bobluvs]

This is not to defend Noah - it sounds like he has many immaturity issues, but .....

Reinsdorf and Paxson have put the Bulls in the hands of a weakling interim coach who cannot stand up to the team cancer.

There is simply no excuse for allowing a player who has been grossly insubordinate and displayed poor character (Wallace), to be allowed any input whatsoever on disciplining another player, firing his coach, etc.

[Crashtheboards]

I am not defending Noah. He probably deserved the original discipline he received.

No, what disturbs me is that the coaches and Bulls' management are letting the players make decisions on discipline and punishment. It is totally ridiculous and shows how little leadership and common sense there is in the managment of the Bulls right now.

[kyrv]

I find it completely stunning that people could seriously suggest that perhaps Noah is in the right and the rest of the team is in the wrong. I also find it stunning that people can complain that the team lacks leadership and then complain when action is initiated by the players.

That's fair. We haven't heard from any party that Noah was not at fault. Even a little.

I had a theory that under Skiles nobody could be team leader, it was kind of like what Ozzie Guillen said "I'm the team leader".

Boylan wants it different, and it's a little short notice. I think fans object to Wallace having any say or any input or any involvement. On anything. ;p

And the fact that Noah should be starttng ahead of Wallace, doesn't make it look good.

Jeremy just a guess here but if Noc and Deng were the two 'team leaders' this would perhaps be less objectionable.

[Shinky]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com ... -headlines

Wallace has had several high-profile run-ins with coaches, including refusing to re-enter a game for Flip Saunders with the Pistons and last season's defiance of the Bulls' rule banning headbands. Yet Wallace said Noah's transgression crossed the line and demanded teammates' action because it became personal.

"I understand frustrations with coaches," Wallace said. "But you can never take it to that level where you overstep the coach-player relationship and talk to a grown man like that. I might not like you as a coach, but I have to respect you as a man.

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Sounds to me like Noah totally went off on Adams, and talked to him like a bitch. It HAD to have been bad, in order for the entire team to want MORE action.

How anyone can side with Noah on this is beyond me.

[sarah42]

wallace, hinrich and every other player that has sucked donkey **** this year should bench themselves.

dear god, what a bunch of hypocrites!

noah already served his suspension, and lost a lot of money to boot. these other players really shouldn't have a say in him losing more money.

they are the idiots that decided to not sign for frankly more money than they are going to get this summer.

i haven't heard of anything like this. its turning into a new york knick show up in Chicago. what is it with chi town sports and drama?

is paxson going to come out after trading one of these players and say "he's selfish, ask the rest of the players and they'll tell you they never liked him..." and pull a kenny williams on us?

they knew noah had a personality coming in. and they also knew the rest of the team was made of up a bunch of stiffs without any vocal cords. why pick him then?

i would love him on the hornets. he would flourish with CP3, and be a greap back up for west and chandler.

wallace has some nerve. he may have never yelled at a coach, but his brooding attitude has rubbed every coach the wrong way. i think that assistant coach can handle someone yelling at him.

[Pinot love]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-080113-joakimnoahchicagobulls,1,5314428.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines

Wallace has had several high-profile run-ins with coaches, including refusing to re-enter a game for Flip Saunders with the Pistons and last season's defiance of the Bulls' rule banning headbands. Yet Wallace said Noah's transgression crossed the line and demanded teammates' action because it became personal.

"I understand frustrations with coaches," Wallace said. "But you can never take it to that level where you overstep the coach-player relationship and talk to a grown man like that. I might not like you as a coach, but I have to respect you as a man.

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Sounds to me like Noah totally went off on Adams, and talked to him like a bitch. It HAD to have been bad, in order for the entire team to want MORE action.

How anyone can side with Noah on this is beyond me.

Ben Wallace? The man who repeatedly says respect is overrated?

[Pinot love]

I had a theory that under Skiles nobody could be team leader, it was kind of like what Ozzie Guillen said "I'm the team leader".

That attitude works better in baseball than basketball, especially when the coach is known as a players coach and repeatedly speaks up on the players side of issues.

The Bulls need Hinrich to nut up, in both his game play and leadership or get a player who can make a difference on the court to come in a be a leader, someone who plays with pride. I get the impression Noah is that type, but is too rough around the edges and hasn't proven himself on the court enough to do so.

[Rerisen]

Noah got into it with a coach not a player. If it was another player, the team deciding his fate might just make sense. But since it was a coach, I would trust the coaches and Pax to decide his punishment. But the players going over the coaching staff

[Three34]

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[Rerisen]

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