Things are going to get ugly.

bongmarley · Post #1 » by **bongmarley** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:25 pm

With regards to Bargs things are going to get ugly. It was ok when it was just guys in here and that were on Bargs case, but now the media is starting to turn on Bargs and even worse Chuck, Leo and Jack are starting to turn on Bargs and they rarely have anything bad to say about a Raps player.

Things are going to turn ugly real soon and the only thing left is for the fans to start booing him at home. I really would not like to see this but I fear its only a matter of time

hksazn · Post #2 » by **hksazn** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:27 pm

Well fans are fans if they do boo it would be just the same as Derick Martin jacking up the three, lol everyone was groining after the air ball and then he tried to jack it up again.

dagger · Post #3 » by **dagger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:28 pm

Or they might not.

Yes, he's had a poor season overall, but we're not a 24-win team like we were in the Babcock era.

When you boo a player you are really booing the general manager. And the general manager is assessed by the totality of his work.

We could be several games over .500 by the end of this month. And when Ford comes back, we could take a shot at 50 wins.

Do you think fans are that shallow?

Did Detroit boo Darko, who contributed less? That would have been booing Joe Dumars.

from24ft · Post #4 » by **from24ft** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:29 pm

bongmarley wrote:With regards to Bargs things are going to get ugly. It was ok when it was just guys in here and that were on Bargs case, but now the media is starting to turn on Bargs and even worse Chuck, Leo and Jack are starting to turn on Bargs and they rarely have anything bad to say about a Raps player.

Things are going to turn ugly real soon and the only thing left is for the fans to start booing him at home. I really would not like to see this but I fear its only a matter of time

I don't see what the point in stating this is. Obviously you want things to get ugly. As far as I am concerned things have been ugly for a while now.

Andrea isn't hurting us, but from a #1 pick perspective he has been a disappointment. Kind of sad that big man camp is only being considered at this juncture.

bongmarley · Post #5 » by **bongmarley** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:30 pm

from24ft wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I don't see what the point is of saying this. Obviously you want things to get ugly. As far as I am concerned things have been ugly for a while now.

Andrea isn't hurting us, but from a #1 pick perspective he has be a disappointment. Kind of sad that big man camp is only being considered at this stage.

What i am saying is that things are getting progressively worse. Currently the broadcast team is starting to question Bargs and that can't be a good thing. Its a slippery slope and it looks like we are about to go down fast

Koosh · Post #6 » by **Koosh** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:34 pm

They can't really boo Bargs if he's sitting on the bench for most of the game so don't worry. If he gets play time I promise you he wont be getting booed.

cdel00 · Post #7 » by **cdel00** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:34 pm

Bah as the bi-polar virus continues to spread. . .

I hope Bargs turns the season around soon as I can't wait for his bashers to start eating the crap they have been spewing about him. Roy is awesome and very polished but Bargs will be better. Bargs is starting to show flashes of his greatness and simply needs more practice time to work on rebounding positioning.

G-UNIT · Post #8 » by **G-UNIT** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:36 pm

cdel00 wrote:Bah as the bi-polar virus continues to spread. . .

I hope Bargs turns the season around soon as I can't wait for his bashers to start eating the crap they have been spewing about him. Roy is awesome and very polished but Bargs will be better. Bargs is starting to show flashes of his greatness and simply needs more practice time to work on rebounding positioning.

Bargs will be better than roy?
are u kidding me?

Koosh · Post #9 » by **Koosh** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:39 pm

I don't understand what the bashers are trying to accomplish? I seriously think they're fans from a rival team posing as Rap fans, hoping that we trade away one of our assets for nothing in return.

Fact: BC drafted Bargs first overall last season
Fact: BC was Executive of the Year for the second time
Fact: BC completely turned this team around in one year
Fact: Compared to Roy, Andrea had a much lesser role on the Raps due to the depth of our team yet he was still runner up for ROY last season
Fact: This year he's not playing nearly as much or as well as he did last year and his value has dropped considerably
Fact: If we trade him now, we wont get anything back
Fact: There's no such thing as a time machine so stop f*cking bitching about Roy and start hoping Bargs pulls it together soon so we can win a championship in the next few years.

That's what real fans would do cause we ain't getting anything of value back for Bargs at this point and anyone with half a brain should know that he can play at a level higher than he's demonstrated so far this season.

dagger · Post #10 » by **dagger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:40 pm

bongmarley wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What i am saying is that things are getting progressively worse. Currently the broadcast team is starting to question Bargs and that can't be a good thing. Its a slippery slope and it looks like we are about to go down fast

Maybe the slippery slope as you call it is more about balancing expectations and holding him accountable. It doesn't mean that one player on a winning team is singled out by the fans.

Does booing make a young player better, or make a situation worse?

I want him to succeed. It's good for the team.

Funny, he was +/- 0, so in the big scheme of things, he didn't kill us. Lamarcus Aldridge was -11, and was being killed on the Blazers board, called overrated and soft by some, a defensive sieve, and it wasn't the kind of criticism limited to the one game. That only goes to show you that young players have their issues, and while Roy may be the real deal, others are following different development curves. They have their ups and downs, and we're trying to make Bargnani an inside player this season, starting against the league's best, something he didn't do in Europe. Even last year he wasn't playing inside much, and certainly not against all-stars.

He's having to learn an awful lot, about rotations, about positioning, about how to hold position without fouling, about post moves. So much to learn that it's put a lot of pressure on him. And I don't know why, for a project of this magnitude, the organization hasn't hired specialized help. But tha'ts what it is and it does require some patience.

And even if you believe he's a 4, not a 5, and never will be a 5, and should be traded for a 2 or a 3, he won't have much trade value if fans start screwing with his head because we're frustrated. If you want to sell a house with defects, you hide the defects, you don't highlight them.

Unlike Hoffa, Bargnani, even this season, has delivered 20 point games and probably will a few more times this season, so it's hard not to see the potential.

Even yesterday, I welcomed his third foul on the offensive boards. A bit of aggression is good. I'm sure that of his three fouls, Sam was probably happy with that third one just as he was probably pissed with first.

cdel00 · Post #11 » by **cdel00** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:42 pm

G-UNIT wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bargs will be better than roy?
are u kidding me?

No in all seriousness I believe Bargs will be better than Roy. Roy has peaked early where as Bargs has reached 10% of his enormous potential. I do see greatness in BOTH players but when I look at the tools they both have I just see Bargs as having more.

hstang · Post #12 » by **hstang** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:43 pm

cdel00 wrote:Bah as the bi-polar virus continues to spread. . .

I hope Bargs turns the season around soon as I can't wait for his bashers to start eating the crap they have been spewing about him. Roy is awesome and very polished but Bargs will be better. Bargs is starting to show flashes of his greatness and simply needs more practice time to work on rebounding positioning.

I'm going to remember your alias on this forum, and I'll tell myself never to read what you'll write again. LOL

G-UNIT · Post #13 » by **G-UNIT** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:44 pm

cdel00 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
No in all seriousness I believe Bargs will be better than Roy. Roy has peaked early where as Bargs has reached 10% of his enormous potential. I do see greatness in BOTH players but when I look at the tools they both have I just see Bargs as having more.

i respect ur opinion, im not a basher, but how do you know roy has peaked? hes 22yrs old (i think)? Roy reminds me of DWade, just not as explosive.

cdel00 · Post #14 » by **cdel00** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:45 pm

hstang wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm going to remember your alias on this forum, and I'll tell myself never to read what you'll write again. LOL

You could always just click the Ignore button and save your memory space for more important things

cdel00 · Post #15 » by **cdel00** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:50 pm

G-UNIT wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

i respect ur opinion, im not a basher, but how do you know roy has peaked? hes 22yrs old (i think)? Roy reminds me of DWade, just not as explosive.

I believe Roy has peaked because he is playing so unbelievably right now. He has learned how to use his gifts, make great decisions, lead his team and win. I just don't see how he can get any better or aspects of his game that can dramatically improve. Hence why I believe he has peaked.

Big Shot · Post #16 » by **Big Shot** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:50 pm

The best we as Raps fans can do is shut up right now. It's hard to believe the management and the coaching staffs don't know what's going on here. Yeah, I'm saying they know they'd probably made a mistake in drafting Bargs and playing him at the center. So just leave everything in their hands and let them take care of the situation. Don't put fuel over the fire any more. That's enough.

hksazn · Post #17 » by **hksazn** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:53 pm

Roy doesn't have to improve because he's already playing like an all-star

Guy Smiley · Post #18 » by **Guy Smiley** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:56 pm

A concern of mine from the moment Andrea was drafted was the disparity between expectations and his actual ability to perform his assigned role. We are talking about a guy that was being asked to completely revamp his game to feature his greatest weaknesses while limiting his one main strength.

I struggled to see how Andrea would succeed where CV failed.

The book is not closed on Bargnani but history has not been favourable to slow producing #1 overall selections.

dagger · Post #19 » by **dagger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:58 pm

Roy is an all-star level player and that's that. It's not like he was the second player picked in the draft. Like Wade, his qualities were under-appreciated by a number of general managers, but also like Wade, one can find happiness with the players they drafted, as we have with Bosh and Denver has with Carmelo.

rapsrawkz · Post #20 » by **rapsrawkz** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:03 pm

Koosh wrote:I don't understand what the bashers are trying to accomplish? I seriously think they're fans from a rival team posing as Rap fans, hoping that we trade away one of our assets for nothing in return.

Yes Koosh..thats EXACTLY how trades in NBA r consummated. Opposing fans bashing the teams talent and degrading them to the point that the GM thinks..if sooo many WELL INFORMED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE fans on Realgm r bashing this guy..he MUST suck..i should just trade him away for nothing.

DAMM...Man..u hit the bulls eye on that. Thank u...thank u..time for me to pose as a magic fan and start bashing D12..u never know..next thing u know..we have D12 for Bargs!!..EEEE HAWWW!!