Deja Vu

[Clint Eastwood]

im having a deja vu. seems like we are on the verge of pax making something happen with a trade, and reporters asking for gasol to be traded. now deng is out with injury. pax will say something like "well with deng out, our depth is bad at small forward, so to trade noc now we wouldnt be competitive to challenge for a playoff spot this year.

this is what may have happened with noc out last year, they were hanging onto deng even tighter than usual.

i think most of us at this point would donate this season to improving for next year.

a trade involving noc or deng for gasol with whatever else would be fine with me. i dont care if griffin has to start for the next 20 games (though thabo should get a chance there instead to see what he has with consistant time)

[bre9]

Good point I hope Pax is on to something.

[NLK]

I know I'll draw a lot of fire (maybe even gun fire from this board) but I say trade Deng & whatever spare non-integral part for Gasol.

[Clint Eastwood]

I know I'll draw a lot of fire (maybe even gun fire from this board) but I say trade Deng & whatever spare non-integral part for Gasol.

plus one here. actually, i would trade deng and TT which in the past i thought was too much. but i want navarro back too.

[NLK]

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plus one here. actually, i would trade deng and TT which in the past i thought was too much. but i want navarro back too.

I'm still pro-Tyrus. So I'm not willing to see him go. I still think he'll be a good player. I don't think he's a real 4, nor at all 3. He's a mixed 4/3. If he can correct his shooting form, and learn to dribble better, he can be the Matrix-Reloaded (I'd prefer him to be a Revolution, so the Bulls can dominate again! Ok, enough dorky talk by NLK). I'd throw in Thabo & Griff instead of TT. Maybe Duhon (bring him back in the offseason). Fantasy-wise, we'd all like to move Big Ben straight up for Gasol. Hell, I'll drink my fizzed out Pepsi and say that'll happen!

[Clint Eastwood]

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I'm still pro-Tyrus. So I'm not willing to see him go. I still think he'll be a good player. I don't think he's a real 4, nor at all 3. He's a mixed 4/3. If he can correct his shooting form, and learn to dribble better, he can be the Matrix-Reloaded (I'd prefer him to be a Revolution, so the Bulls can dominate again! Ok, enough dorky talk by NLK). I'd throw in Thabo & Griff instead of TT. Maybe Duhon (bring him back in the offseason). Fantasy-wise, we'd all like to move Big Ben straight up for Gasol. Hell, I'll drink my fizzed out Pepsi and say that'll happen!

you missunderstand me, i love tyrus still, and would prefer to move noah. however, deng and TT i would give to get gasol. i think i like our overall makeup much more after that.

[p_s]

I would be willing to trade any of the core -- I would "overpay" in hopes of getting the right to swap picks with Memphis this year.

[#1TKfan]

I know I'll draw a lot of fire (maybe even gun fire from this board) but I say trade Deng & whatever spare non-integral part for Gasol.

sign me up. deng is a very good player, but i dont think he will ever be greatness.

we see how much smoother the offense is w/ a decent big man down low w/ gray. well gasol is more than decent. we have to give up something to get something we need.

[NLK]

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sign me up. deng is a very good player, but i dont think he will ever be greatness.

we see how much smoother the offense is w/ a decent big man down low w/ gray. well gasol is more than decent. we have to give up something to get something we need.

I agree. And this coming from me, who is Anti-Big man (because I lived through the 80s and 90s Bulls teams), I'm giving up that Deng is going to be this All Star we were all expecting & touting he'd be. I came to this conclusion after the Home Opener when Iguodala just ate him alive (I'm sure I'll get ragged on for judging so early). Deng is not a pure 3. He's not fast enough (a knock on him right after college) to guard the more athletic 3s. Gasol isn't a great 4 either, but he has some finesse to his game. His height is what I believe can create matchup problems, not to mention his other more refined skills. I think Gasol would fit on our team.

[Clint Eastwood]

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I agree. And this coming from me, who is Anti-Big man (because I lived through the 80s and 90s Bulls teams), I'm giving up that Deng is going to be this All Star we were all expecting & touting he'd be. I came to this conclusion after the Home Opener when Iguodala just ate him alive (I'm sure I'll get ragged on for judging so early). Deng is not a pure 3. He's not fast enough (a knock on him right after college) to guard the more athletic 3s. Gasol isn't a great 4 either, but he has some finesse to his game. His height is what I believe can create matchup problems, not to mention his other more refined skills. I think Gasol would fit on our team.

even if i knew deng would be an allstar, i would trade him and TT or noah for gasol. this team needs consolidation for playing time distribution for development of the frontcourt young players.

my point in this thread however was that i would give up a shot at playoffs this year, if i knew a trade would help us for next year. that is, if say deng was going to be out for 2 months, i would trade noc and gordon for gasol and navarro even if boylan would then play griffin 30 min a game until deng is back. yes, our season this year may be lost, but for this excellent change for next year it would be worth it. unfortunately, pax from comments last year would pass on this deal due to the current injury situation to deng. this is the deja vu, and it disappoints me to think about.

[anorexorcism]

don't expect any trades, guys, and the pain will be easier to take when the deadline comes and goes and we sit on our a$$ as usual.

[dougthonus]

I love the fact that every time Gasol gets brought up people say we wouldn't trade Luol Deng for him.

No one seems to remember that the most credible offer in the papers was that the Grizzlies wanted Deng + Gordon. Our response to which seemed to be, we won't give Deng in that deal.

Paxson specifically commented on the radio that the Grizzlies wanted a lot more than just Deng.

[Clint Eastwood]

I love the fact that every time Gasol gets brought up people say we wouldn't trade Luol Deng for him.

No one seems to remember that the most credible offer in the papers was that the Grizzlies wanted Deng + Gordon. Our response to which seemed to be, we won't give Deng in that deal.

Paxson specifically commented on the radio that the Grizzlies wanted a lot more than just Deng.

agreed. and i would give deng and gordon for gasol, navarro and warrick.

[Clint Eastwood]

now im really having a deja vu. didnt this happen last year too? lots of talks with memphis, no action. here we go again...


"Paxson's philosophy a year ago at this time was a Gasol trade only made sense if the Bulls didn't have to part with Deng, Ben Gordon or Kirk Hinrich. It's possible that plan has shifted a bit with this season's slow start.

Talks regarding Gasol have resumed between the Bulls and the Grizzlies, though it's too soon to tell if they will go anywhere."

more at link

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=112890

[Scott May]

No one seems to remember that the most credible offer in the papers was that the Grizzlies wanted Deng + Gordon.

I went round and round with TB#1 about this recently. I don't think you're right. Many of the post-deadline recaps, whether written from a Chicago, Memphis, or national perspective, said that the deal hung up on Deng, and that Memphis had backed off their initial demand for two of the "core four."

Only a single article (think it was Hanley) claimed that Memphis would not budge from a "two of the core four" demand. KC and McGraw and the Memphis beat writer said it was something like Deng, PJ, and a pick.

If you're arguing that Hanley's report is more credible than everyone elses, that's one thing. But the preponderance of what I define as being credible sources said that Deng was the only member of the core four being discussed as the deadline came and went.

[TB#1]

I'm going with Pax' "They wanted a lot more than just Deng" and refusing to speculate what specifically that meant in terms of other pieces.

How last years' negotiations reflect on this years' negotiations, if they are going on, who knows.

[Rerisen]

How last years' negotiations reflect on this years' negotiations, if they are going on, who knows.

Normally, you might guess that the Bulls had shot themselves in the foot if the deal really had hung on moving Deng or not. Because now, I think his value has fallen some after he declined the Bulls offer and has thus far come out and looked pretty much like the exact same player as last year. The Bulls were supposed to have taken a large step forward this year and Deng leading the charge as a even better player was expected to be a large part of that.

However, the Bulls might get a break in that Gasol himself has looked somewhat lost this season in Memphis. And they don't look like a substantially worse team even when he isn't there. So maybe their relative values have not shifted at all. But with West out, maybe Memphis's willingness to part with him is greater.

[hard49]

Gasol is averaging 25/11/3 in January. He has found his rythm.