Atlanta || Detroit || Indiana || New Jersey

ecuhus1981 · Post #21 » by **ecuhus1981** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:59 pm

Scoot, you're missing my point.

I already stated that for this type of deal to happen, RJ would have to go to a team other than the Pacers. That's why I said, "...if this type of deal were on the table".

IF Indy were willing to take RJ, New Jerse would probably deal straight-up with them. But at least, Detroit wouldn't horn in on the deal, and steal away our most prized young bigman no less.

Post #22 » by **roc** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:08 pm

Hmm, We could take Jefferson and send Rip to Indy I guess. That way we still get to swipe NJ's most prized young bigman. :lol:

A starting lineup of Billups/Chill/RJ/Dice/Sheed would work fine I think.

Post #23 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:44 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:Scoot, you're missing my point.

I already stated that for this type of deal to happen, RJ would have to go to a team other than the Pacers. That's why I said, "...if this type of deal were on the table".

IF Indy were willing to take RJ, New Jerse would probably deal straight-up with them. But at least, Detroit wouldn't horn in on the deal, and steal away our most prized young bigman no less.

I get EXACTLY what you're saying, but you're contradicting yourself as well in some respects. You admit that Indy wouldn't have much interest in Jefferson, and then propose another deal that centers around Indy ending up with Jefferson and possibly having to hold onto him for up to a year or so to move him again. That's a problem. Indy isn't a great fit for RJ at all, thus meaning no straight-up deal with NJ, thus meaning the deal you proposed still wouldn't work as well, as it not only adds a redundant piece in Jefferson, but actually adds salary for next year, not cuts it like you propose. Now, if you move Jefferson elsewhere in the deal (and it would have to take place IN the deal, not "some time after"), and get expirings immediately, not during next year, that would keep us under the luxury tax and get us young players, then you might have a deal.

But it doesn't help to keep proposing the same final deal where Indy ends up with Jefferson and taking on additional salary for next year. Figure out where Jefferson will actually go and what Indy would get, then propose that.

ecuhus1981 · Post #24 » by **ecuhus1981** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:57 pm

I certainly understand where you're coming from, Scoot. The bottom line is, [b]this is not my proposal[b]. My counter-proposal of sorts was ONLY meant to illustrate how Detroit could be cut out of this deal. You understand? I could've created an entirely different deal, but I wanted mine to mirror what r0ccd0gg did with his, without the Pistons' involvement. I'm sorry if you feel it's me being lazy for not finding a 4th team (other than DET), but I just don't care enough about Jermaine O'neal, to cook up another partner willing to take RJ for expirings/picks. I'd rather have RJ right now. I was JUST ILLUSTRATING A POINT, not advertising a trade. "If" r0ccd0gg's deal were to occur, IF somehow miraculously RJ went to Indy, it would happen without Detroit.

I know, you know, we all know that RJ to Indy is a no-go. It's fine with me.

Post #25 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:05 pm

Sorry I came off as a little forceful. Didn't mean to.

I simply took your posting of a new trade "idea" in this thread as an official "proposal" (or rather, as official as bouncing ideas in this forum can be called). Immediately in the same post as when you said Jefferson to Indy is a no go, I felt you were kind of missing the point, but rather, you were simply going in a different direction; not trying to fix the idea, but just show an alternate of it.

Chalk it up to confusion.

lunarblues · Post #26 » by **lunarblues** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:09 pm

atlanta isn't going to kill it's first chance at making the playoffs in almost a dacade to save a few bucks. childress is worth more than antonie wright and scraps. at least bring us marcus williams with wright.