Would Scaramento consider this salary dump?

[Zo]

Zo,

Why think of one when two or three could make it happen?

You don't think the Magic would package some of their expiring deals and a pick to get Brad Miller?

If I were the Magic, I would do it. But why has it not happened yet?

You don't think Riley would package J-Will and Cook for Bibby?

I would not do that and I don't think Riley would. would you?

At this point, we are almost rebuilding. I don't want to give up a promissing young like Cook for Bibby.

[rpa]

In fact, the best analogy to this deal is not DWade and Blount for expiring, but rather Shaq for expirings: You and I would move Shaq for expirings in a heart beat. Granted Bibby and BMiller have more value than Shaq, but are there any takers?

How in the hell is that a good analogy? Heat fans would give up their collective kidney to trade Shaq for expiring contracts. Kings fans would outright refuse to deal Bibby OR Miller for pure expirings.

[Zo]

Uh, what? The Jazz traded Giricek and a protected future pick for Kyle Korver.

If we GOT a pick, I wish someone had told us.

sorry, my mistake, Itrully tought it went the other way...

[BBallFreak]

If I were the Magic, I would do it. But why has it not happened yet?

Seriously? Their could be a thousand different reasons.

I would not do that and I don't think Riley would. would you?

At this point, we are almost rebuilding. I don't want to give up a promissing young like Cook for Bibby.

I would be shocked if Riley didn't jump all over it if given the opportunity...

[BBallFreak]

Heat fans would give up their collective kidney to trade Shaq for expiring contracts.

That's in bad taste, man. Consider what we went through with Zo...

[rpa]

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That's in bad taste, man. Consider what we went through with Zo...

Forgot about Zo. What other organs in the body can a human give up (to another) and still live? Kidney's the obvious one; can't think of another.

Anyways, you guys get the point as to why the analogy was so flawed.

[BBallFreak]

Oh please, I pointed out the flaw in his analogy first.

BTW, they can do partial liver transplants, but these days, we Heat fans need those for our own personal abuse...

[rpa]

Oh please, I pointed out the flaw in his analogy first.

BTW, they can do partial liver transplants, but these days, we Heat fans need those for our own personal abuse...

Was writing mine when you posted yours.

But besides, who would want to give up part of their liver? One of the best joys in life is abusing your liver night after night and watching it bounce right back up.

[Zo]

Trade Miller to Orlando for expirings and a protected pick. Trade Bibby to Cleveland for Gooden/Jones/1st and then flip Gooden/Jones to the Warriors for their trade exception (straight up for Gooden) and any combination of their expiring salary fillers for Jones (Pietrus, Barnes, O'Bryant, Hudson, Crosshere).

Not saying I'd do the Bibby deal but it's pretty fair. Those trades net the Kings the expiring contracts and actual value for their players.

I'll give you the Orlando and the Cleveland deals, but the GS one is not realistic imo as the Warriors do not want to add money past this year. Unfortunately, that screws up everything...

But what this tells me is that you would dump Bibby and Miller's salaries (and Artest's right), if protected pick(s) were attached to the deal. is that correct?

I'd say this isn't an instance (at least not your scenario) simply because of the risk aspect. The chances that one of those guys joins a Kings team w/ depleted talent (they'd be losing 3 of their best 4-5 players) is VERY small. Further, consider what the Kings are left with after that. If they can't get 1 of those guys they'll have to wait til summer 2009 but then they'd have 2 more draft picks on their cap (compared to 1 more this summer), they'd still have SAR/Thomas/Moore (at least part of Moore's deal is guaranteed in year 3), and they may have an extension to Garcia kicking in that summer. So in essence there's a very high chance that they're looking at having to wait til summer 2010 (which is probably what they're going to have to do now) to have more money.

This is actually the perspective that I was looking for... Thanks

[Zo]

Seriously? Their could be a thousand different reasons.

just wondering out loud... Orlando is a definite possibility.

[rpa]

I'll give you the Orlando and the Cleveland deals, but the GS one is not realistic imo as the Warriors do not want to add money past this year. Unfortunately, that screws up everything...

But what this tells me is that you would dump Bibby and Miller's salaries (and Artest's right), if protected pick(s) were attached to the deal. is that correct?

Depends how protected the picks are. Lottery protection for both Bibby and Miller I can completely understand. Top 20 protection I may understand for Miller but not for Bibby. Past that I can't see it happening though.

The teams that get Bibby/Miller are going to be contenders. It's hard to justify trying to have it both ways (i.e. contending AND protecting the pick) because then it gives the Kings little incentive as to where the pick could conceivably land.