Marbury to Portland

[deadfeather]

Portland buys out Marbury's contract ala Steve Francis.



New York trades:

Stephon Marbury

Mardy Collins

Randolph Morris



New York Receives:

Raef Lafrentz

Darius Miles

Portland first round draft pick 2010

[gswhoops]

So, Portland pays another $30M for Randolph Morris and Mardy Collins? Unlikely, since they can just claim the retirement money from Miles' injury and save a lot more.

And on the flip side, since NY can't claim Miles' injury money, they lose a whole bunch and give up some guys they like for a future, protected pick?

Doesn't make sense, basketball or financial, for either side. I'd say that's a pass.

[yunggunz]

So, Portland pays another $30M for Randolph Morris and Mardy Collins? Unlikely, since they can just claim the retirement money from Miles' injury and save a lot more.

they cant claim money for Miles injury because he has said he is healthy to come back. right now they are paying him to stay at home and he is still on the cap.

[deadfeather]

Miles isn't retiring. In fact he is doing full practices right now and should be cleared to play in another month or so.

and what thirty Mil?

Randolph Morris is an expiring for 3.1 Million and and Collins is has 2 years left at a dismal 3.7. They are only added to fill in the price gap between the combined contracts of Raef and Darius compared to Marbury's contract.

[yunggunz]

really, theres not much incentive for either side.

[gswhoops]

OH well, removing foot from mouth in 5...4...3...2...1...

In that case, I think just NY would turn it down.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Include either David Lee, or Balkman and Chandler instead of Collins and Morris and you would have deal. Portland has no reason to take on Marburys salary.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

Include either David Lee, or Balkman and Chandler instead of Collins and Morris and you would have deal. Portland has no reason to take on Marburys salary.

His contract is the same length as LaFrentz's, and Miles' contract is longer. I don't see why they need additional incentive, IMO.

[b_roy7]

Include either David Lee, or Balkman and Chandler instead of Collins and Morris and you would have deal. Portland has no reason to take on Marburys salary.

I don't think NY has a reason to take on Miles' salary. I'd love an addition of Lee/Balkman though.

Btw, change your sig size, that's against the rules.

[#1knickfan]

Include either David Lee, or Balkman and Chandler instead of Collins and Morris and you would have deal. Portland has no reason to take on Marburys salary.

Drugs are bad my friend. Quit b4 your brain is fried to the point of no return. There is still hope.

[deadfeather]

Well the incentive is there for both sides. Portland is looking to clear up a massive amount of space for the 2009 free agency. New York is looking to rid themselves of Marbury and get some chemistry added to their roster at the same time. Miles isn't finished, he has been watching how chemistry can be a major impact on a teams success. He also just had a kid and has said in interviews that he has seen the error of his behavior and is looking to make a difference on the court. Miles in Portland though is a horrible match for Miles because they run a ten man rotation that has been so successful any tampering, even adding a capable small forward to the mix could be detrimental.

Thomas has shown interest in Miles in the past. He plays an open court type offense and has chemistry with Randolph and Richardson. If Miles was to come back and play at the same level he played before his injury New York offers that situation.

And if it doesn't work when Miles' contract ends they can replace him with another first round draft pick offered from Portland.

IMO I think this trade works well for both sides.

[moocow007]

Include either David Lee, or Balkman and Chandler instead of Collins and Morris and you would have deal. Portland has no reason to take on Marburys salary.

Marbury salary is shorter and smaller than the combined salaries of Lafrentz and Miles. Marbury is also FAR, FAR more productive (not hard since one hasn't played because of injury and the other because he just plain out stinks). NY wouldn't need to include anything to save Portland money and allow them to shed Miles last year off of their cap at the perfect time that they want to (for the 2009 free agency class).

If anything, Portland is the one that has to send something of value to NY for them to help Portland position themselves for a big signing in 2009. So I'll raise you Travis Outlaw and Portlands 1st round pick. Yep...silly but not as silly as NY including Lee, Balkman and chandler.

[Blazer77]

So New York comes to Portland with a problem and we're supposed to bail them out with Outlaw (don't call him Bo, call him Mr. 4th Quarter) and a 1st rounder?

1. We're not actively looking to move Travis Outlaw, he's been clutch for us and is a big reason this team is so succesful (Roy even says he's their go to guy in the 4th)

2. We're not looking to disrupt our team chemistry and

3. We're already under the cap for 09.

Getting Rudy Fernandez and Greg Oden back next year prevents us from needing to make a big splash in the offseason.

The orginal post is ridiculous and moocow's upping of the offer is just offensive.

[moocow007]

So New York comes to Portland with a problem and we're supposed to bail them out with Outlaw (don't call him Bo, call him Mr. 4th Quarter) and a 1st rounder?

1. We're not actively looking to move Travis Outlaw, he's been clutch for us and is a big reason this team is so succesful (Roy even says he's their go to guy in the 4th)

2. We're not looking to disrupt our team chemistry and

3. We're already under the cap for 09.

Getting Rudy Fernandez and Greg Oden back next year prevents us from needing to make a big splash in the offseason.

The orginal post is ridiculous and moocow's upping of the offer is just offensive.

You're not following the flow of this thread.

OF COURSE the Blazers are not going to include Outlaw and a 1st. Just like NY is NOT going to include Davd Lee, Balkman and/or Chandler to acquire longer contracts and take on more salaries to help Portland position themselves for the 2009 free agent class. THAT is the point. And my exaggeration is meant to emphasize it not to say that the Blazers should be looking to do that.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

All im saying is Portland has no use for Marbury, and I think its stupid to think New York can just pawn him off on them, when in reality, no one wants Marbury and the Knicks are just going to have to wait till he retires and goes to play in Europe.

[moocow007]

All im saying is Portland has no use for Marbury, and I think its stupid to think New York can just pawn him off on them, when in reality, no one wants Marbury and the Knicks are just going to have to wait till he retires and goes to play in Europe.

Again, you're missing what the OP proposed. The key isn't keeping Marbury with Portland (he has Portland buying Marbury out...which...BTW would still be cheaper than buying out Miles and Lafrentz).

But regardless of the monetary savings in a buyout, the key is freeing up Miles salary for the 2009 free agency shopping spree (Marbury's contract ends before the 2009 free agent period while Miles will still be on the books locking up $9 million worth of capspace).

THAT is the reason why this trade would be HUGELY in favor of Portland and why there is absolutely no reason for the Knicks to be including anything whatsoever to save Portland money AND give them an extra $9 million in capspace to sign a big time free agent.

If you can get the gist if this then it's a LOT more reasonable for NY to be getting Outlaw and a 1st than it is Portland Lee, Balkman and Chandler. A LOT MORE.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Outlaw is their third leading scorer, and the cap space they get from this won't help them in the long run. Look at what Chicago did. They won't be able to keep all that young talent cuz they blew there money on Wallace and now they are a terrible team.

Its a good thing that Miles contract doesn't come off the books for awhile, it will give them the cap space when they need it to resign Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Webster, Jack and Outlaw. If they waste their money on a big name free agent, they'll definitely lose one of their key players. So in my opinion, which you all think I'm stupid on here, so whatever, is it would be better for them in the long run to just let the contracts expire gradually and resign the incredible young talent they have, instead of trying to win now and being forced to blow it up, like it seems like the Bulls will have to do.

[deadfeather]

Well, I never had Outlaw or Lee (or any of the other names mentioned) as a part of the trade. Either way those make the trade unreasonable. New York WOULD be taking a risk by taking Miles and his contract which ends a year later than Marbury's. The fact of the matter is though, New York with Randolph's contract won't be in the free agent game until 2011 when his contract is up. Marbury needs to be traded, and not alot of other teams are willing to take on his contract. Portland I think is the only team that could afford to buy out his massive 70 million dollar contract. Miles as I said before can be productive if put in the right situation. He thrives on the style of play New York has in their offense, does anybody remember how him and Q-Rich did together play for the Clippers? His contract ends before Randolph's, Curry's, Crawford's, and Jeffries', and can contribute alot sooner than you think.

I think the original offer stands as it is as a solid offer. New York also gets Portlands first round draft pick in 2010. New York would be very wise to take this deal as a sign of rebuild and recovery. I honestly think it would work out well for them.

[deadfeather]

Outlaw is their third leading scorer, and the cap space they get from this won't help them in the long run. Look at what Chicago did. They won't be able to keep all that young talent cuz they blew there money on Wallace and now they are a terrible team.

Its a good thing that Miles contract doesn't come off the books for awhile, it will give them the cap space when they need it to resign Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Webster, Jack and Outlaw. If they waste their money on a big name free agent, they'll definitely lose one of their key players. So in my opinion, which you all think I'm stupid on here, so whatever, is it would be better for them in the long run to just let the contracts expire gradually and resign the incredible young talent they have, instead of trying to win now and being forced to blow it up, like it seems like the Bulls will have to do.

Alot of people still havent gotten this about Portland so I will put it as strongly as possible so that some of you may understand the difference between them and Portland.

If Paul Allen wanted (for those of you who don't know Paul Allen is the owner of Portland), he could buy the NBA. He owns the bird rights to Oden, Roy, and Aldridge. Allen will have no problem at all paying for extensions on his three draft picks. The problem is buying a free agent before the Bird Rights would have to take effect.

[AZ BLAZER]

There has been a proposal on this board before, I think Darkhelmit was the creator of it. The gist of it is;

PDX out

Raef
Miles
Jack

NY out

Marbs
Rose

Believe it or not, despite taking on the extra year of Miles contract they save over $4 mil in this deal. That even includes lux tax and all. Both teams are just trading unwanted contracts. Jack and the $4 mil savings is NY's incentive. Dumping Miles is PDX's incentive. Many Blazer fans do not want to trade Jack. Personally I would not hesitate. He is not in Portlands long term plans with Roy, Blake and Sergio.