CHI/NYK - Wallace to the Knicks

[gavran]

wallace has not been a problem like Marbury, nothing like that. Just playing medicore.
I think the NY fans would like to get rid this headache and add some D

Sure, just take out Chandler and give the Knicks this year's first round pick....or Noah.

[#1knickfan]

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Sure, just take out Chandler and give the Knicks this year's first round pick....or Noah.

I'd prefer the pick.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

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I'd prefer the pick.

Well no way in hell would Chicago throw in their pick or Noah.

[treis]

let's not forget, marbury is talented and a HUGE upgrade over duhon. He COULD bounce back (big IF, of course)

Oh God no. Marbury is an awful player on the level of Zach Randolph. He puts up numbers, but every team he goes to loses, and it has a lot to do with him. I'd take Duhon over him any day of the week. Hell, I'd take a swift kick to the balls over Marbury.

Chandler is a decent enough prospect, but he's nothing special.

In short, this deal is bad in every way for the Bulls except for Reinsdorf's pocket book.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

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Oh God no. Marbury is an awful player on the level of Zach Randolph. He puts up numbers, but every team he goes to loses, and it has a lot to do with him. I'd take Duhon over him any day of the week. Hell, I'd take a swift kick to the balls over Marbury.

Chandler is a decent enough prospect, but he's nothing special.

In short, this deal is bad in every way for the Bulls except for Reinsdorf's pocket book.

I don't think you can underrate the increased minutes for Noah, Tyrus, Gray.

Like I said early I could care less if we tell Marbury to go home like we did Tim Thomas. I still like it.

Wallace's salary isn't hurting us as much as his minutes are. Most teams have **** contracts. Most of these contracts don't demand 35 entitlement minutes a night.

[#1knickfan]

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Well no way in hell would Chicago throw in their pick or Noah.

not saying that they would but simply commenting that if I had the choice I would prefer the pick.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

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not saying that they would but simply commenting that if I had the choice I would prefer the pick.

Fair enough.

[treis]

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I don't think you can underrate the increased minutes for Noah, Tyrus, Gray.

Like I said early I could care less if we tell Marbury to go home like we did Tim Thomas. I still like it.

Wallace's salary isn't hurting us as much as his minutes are. Most teams have **** contracts. Most of these contracts don't demand 35 entitlement minutes a night.

I think it's convenient to blame Wallace for those three's lack of minutes. It allows hope to live that the Bulls season might not be lost, and that those youngsters might be stars. The fact of the matter, however, is that those three are very flawed. Tyrus is barely shooting above 40% and makes terrible decisions on the floor. Noah is lacking in size, skill, and makes many mistakes rookies do. Gray can take advantage of certain matchups, but he is very limited by his athleticism, especially on the defensive end. In short, these guys don't play very much because they're not very good, not because of Wallace.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

Tyrus is barely shooting above 40% and makes terrible decisions on the floor.

Wallace is putting up the worse offensive season for a center ever, but okay, I guess we can criticize that.

Noah is lacking in size, skill, and makes many mistakes rookies do.

A rookie making... rookie mistakes. I'm not sure what to think with that.

Gray can take advantage of certain matchups, but he is very limited by his athleticism, especially on the defensive end.

Agreed, but for a team thats supposed to be defensive minded I think we can afford to take some defensive negativity every once in a while when our offense stalls.

Also the difference between these players sucking and Wallace sucking is that these players aren't being paid $15M and actually have the potential to get better. Wallace only has the potential to get worse.

[moocow007]

wallace has not been a problem like Marbury, nothing like that. Just playing medicore.
I think the NY fans would like to get rid this headache and add some D

Wallace has been mediocre at best defensively. NY getting rid of Marbury would be as easy as "Marbs, here's $20 million, now go away to Italy." rather than taking on $15 million more for a guy that really doesn't fit where they are as a team (which is far from competing). You can argue that Wallace MIGHT be able to regain some form playing alongside a post player like Curry (since he'd have freedom to grab rebounds and putbacks with Curry likely still being triple teamed when he gets the ball) but then again $15 million in savings is no joke nor of little value for the Bulls.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

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Wallace has been mediocre at best defensively. NY getting rid of Marbury would be as easy as "Marbs, here's $20 million, now go away to Italy."

But I think Isiah's history shows he would rather trade a player for anything rather than just letting them expire or buying them out. Look at the Randolph trade. He took on tons of extra years of Randolph's deal and Francis just ended up getting bought out. I think Isiah's reasoning would be, "I can get something for Marbury? This is great I was just going to buy him out. This is great!"

[moocow007]

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But I think Isiah's history shows he would rather trade a player for anything rather than just letting them expire or buying them out. Look at the Randolph trade. He took on tons of extra years of Randolph's deal and Francis just ended up getting bought out. I think Isiah's reasoning would be, "I can get something for Marbury? This is great I was just going to buy him out. This is great!"

But if you look at his trade MO it has pretty much been to trade for potential regardless of holes (Curry, Crawford), trade for talent upgrade regardless of fit (Randolph, Francis) or to take on a big ol' contract if he can get a draft pick (Malik Rose, Jalen Rose, Jerome Williams). As crazy as they are and have proven to be, it always started with an attempt to upgrade the Knicks in the areas of talent, potential and/or picks. I don't think they really get any of that here. The only angle where this type of trade can be argued is for fit and that's been Thomas' biggest weakness in terms of building a team. So doing a deal like this really isn't Thomas' MO unless the Bulls include a draft pick or some young player (which they are unlikely to do).

[Friend_Of_Haley]

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But if you look at his trades it has either been to trade for potential (Curry, Crawford), trade for stats (Randolph, Francis) or to take on a big ol' contract if he can get a draft pick (Malik Rose, Jalen Rose). As crazy as they are and have proven to be, it always started with an attempt to upgrade the Knicks in either the talent category or the potential category. I don't think they really get either here.

True, but perhaps Isiah sees defense as a talent they need. Wallace's talent isn't what it once was, but that may not matter. Who knows. I'd still do the deal if it was Wallace for Marbury straight up. Would that be better?

[moocow007]

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True, but perhaps Isiah sees defense as a talent they need. Wallace's talent isn't what it once was, but that may not matter. Who knows. I'd still do the deal if it was Wallace for Marbury straight up. Would that be better?

It probably would though the ideal move for NY really would be someone like Randolph for Wallace.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

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It probably would though the ideal move for NY really would be someone like Randolph for Wallace.

Agreed, I'm just not convinced Isiah would think so.