Pax on the score, getting irritated with Mike North

[fudgie]

We haven't done jack **** with the vets this season. We can either throw this whole season away on some pointless chase for the playoffs with the vets or we can go with a youth movement and try to get some long term gain out of this.

[kyrv]

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In other words playing Noah/Thomas (whom will be inconsistent) will be no different than playing the inconsistant Ben Wallace. With one major exception. Both NOah and Thomas have upsided to look forward to as opposed to Wallace who has nothing but downside in his future. Chicago needs to play the young guys regardless of results now.

Yes, good summary translation.

[Red Larrivee]

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Also, your sig is an ancient quote, Ben Gordon is not one of the highest scoring fourth quarter players. Probably not even close.

Jeff Van Gundy said it this season.

[richard]

Gilbert Arenas was a second round pick for a reason...

Paul Millsap was a second round pick for a reason...

Monta Ellis was a second round pick for a reason...

Luke Walton was a second round pick for a reason...

Michael Redd was a second round pick for a reason...



Carlos Boozer was a second round pick for a reason...


Sorry, but where someone was drafted can mean nothing more than a flawed scouting system. How about we give Gray a chance to show us he sucks - rather than write him off based on his draft position?

i'm not writing him off based on his draft position. i'm saying he is not very good from watching him play, and saying there was a good reason why he was a 2nd round pick. there is a difference. all those players you mentioned are exceptions and surprises. the vast majority of 2nd round players play like 2nd round players. what are you expecting from gray, 15/10? 10/8? neither is very likely, and i say that from watching him play.

give him 30 minutes a night and all you will see are flashes every once in a while. and yes, i understand wallace and everybody else gives an equally sucky chance at winning games.

[dougthonus]

So I finally listened to the whole thing.

My god, could Mike North have pissed away an extremely lengthy interview with John Paxson and gotten less useful information out of him?

Seriously, does anyone give a crap that the players suspended Noah for an additional game? Does anyone really think this is that bad?

Considering all the things that could have been talked about right now to waste 10+ minutes on this crap was just a complete waste.

[kyrv]

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Jeff Van Gundy said it this season.

Talking about past tense, gotcha. That's what I figured.

[fudgie]

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LOL... You're right. There should be a "no passing to Big Ben" rule implemented immediately.

Violators will be suspended...

Griff should call a players only meeting so they can vote on that.

[OldBullsFan]

From what I heard Pax agreed on the extra day since the team decided. He was hoping that this would bring the team together. Pax made a comment that this is the same team as last year's team that won 49 games. The difference is that they are not playing as a team.

If the bulls were 20 and 14, I am sure there would be no extra day suspension. Pax/Boylan were just grasping at straws hoping that this team suspension would bring them together and they would start winning.

Personally, I think it was stupid. It did not work so let''s just move on.

[mysteryfan]

So I finally listened to the whole thing.

My god, could Mike North have pissed away an extremely lengthy interview with John Paxson and gotten less useful information out of him?

Seriously, does anyone give a crap that the players suspended Noah for an additional game? Does anyone really think this is that bad?

Considering all the things that could have been talked about right now to waste 10+ minutes on this crap was just a complete waste.

Some people do, apparently. Although Scott Williams on the Bucks broadcast last night didn't understand why people were upset when the Bucks broadcasters talked about it.

Of all the things he could have asked Paxson about.......What a waste.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

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i'm not writing him off based on his draft position. i'm saying he is not very good from watching him play, and saying there was a good reason why he was a 2nd round pick. there is a difference. all those players you mentioned are exceptions and surprises. the vast majority of 2nd round players play like 2nd round players. what are you expecting from gray, 15/10? 10/8? neither is very likely, and i say that from watching him play.

give him 30 minutes a night and all you will see are flashes every once in a while. and yes, i understand wallace and everybody else gives an equally sucky chance at winning games.

So does "sucks" = "not very good" because if that is what you are saying - I think we agree.

I believe Gray is merely "good" which of course is less than "not very good" so in an essence equals sucks.

What do I think Gray could put up? Given 15 to 20 minutes in the rotation I think he could put up 8 & 6. Very nice numbers for a backup C.

[Mr. Tibbs]

as rare as paxson interviews are...why the hell does mike north have to get them? That first half of the interview was like my first day of class this semester..boring as hell.

u know if it were up to mike i think he'd rather have an interview without someone on the other end. He likes asking questions and hates listening to answers.

[ATRAIN53]

maybe the word 'suspension' should really not have been used in this incident.

because i don't think players can 'suspend' anyone - management is the one that allowed this players "vote" to mean Noah would not suit up for 2 games. this was not an official league suspension, i think it was an internal team disciplinary action.

i'm curious if he loses a game check or not over this?
has that been reported?

but a few days now as details dribble out it seems to me like the tardiness is really the big issue here. showing up late when everyone else makes the effort to be on time is inexcusable in every profession.

IIRC Wallace was guilty of this last season during the playoffs. So if he's been making the effort to be on time i can see where he'd want the team to come down on Noah if he is showing up late.

so this really amounted to a 'pile on' to Noah - they punished him for the tirade but then made the mistake of penalizing him for another infraction at the same time. that's bad management IMO.

should have been seperate penalties for seperate infractions and clearly spelled out for the kid (and the media).

(oh yeah, North sucks!!!)

[Grand Champ]

So does anyone else think that Wallace is screwing Noah over because Noah is better than him and Big B doesn't want to lose his playing time?

That's basically what I got from this supposed "veteran's" meeting. But it could be my conspiracy theory part of my brain going off unexpectedly.

[TB#1]

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Also, your sig is an ancient quote, Ben Gordon is not one of the highest scoring fourth quarter players. Probably not even close.

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Jeff Van Gundy said it this season.

Here is a fairly interesting article about Ben in the 4th. He concludes Gordon was a clutch 4th guy in his first 2 years, dropped off somewhat last year and seems to be getting back on track as a 4th quarter guy this year, and especially since returning to the bench.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6034 ... h_Quarter_

[tclg]

I actually thought about that champ

[AirP.]

Seriously, does anyone give a crap that the players suspended Noah for an additional game? Does anyone really think this is that bad?

Considering all the things that could have been talked about right now to waste 10+ minutes on this crap was just a complete waste.

The only bad thing that can come from it is Noah or others(who didn't vote or voted to not rock the boat) not feeling too good about their teammates.

It's not all that bad but this is why you have management, I have no problem in vets recommending 2 games, I have a problem with them recommending additional punishment after having a judgment already handed down from management.

It's a slippery sloop... what if the players think Gordon's trying to get his numbers up for Free Agency and want to sit him for the betterment of the team? That's extream but you can get what I'm saying about it leading to other situations.

[Betta Bulleavit]

So does anyone else think that Wallace is screwing Noah over because Noah is better than him and Big B doesn't want to lose his playing time?

That's basically what I got from this supposed "veteran's" meeting. But it could be my conspiracy theory part of my brain going off unexpectedly.

I thought this very same thing. I didnt post it because I was afraid that I would get attacked by other posters for being a "conspiracy theorist". But it does kind of seem like that. I mean, Ben hasnt shown a shred of leadership ability since coming here and now (all of a sudden) he decides to step up and play leader when the player involved is someone who is in direct competition with him for playing time. Tell you what though, after a while, its going to get to a point where Wallace isnt going to be able to hide it. Hell, he cant hide it now. The more Noah sits, the more Wallace plays and sucks while doing so. It will eventually get to the point where every time the Bulls are at home, the crowd will be chanting for Noah every time Wallace touches the ball. If only Wallace knew how to gracefully step aside perhaps he could (at least) find a productive role with this team instead of just remaining an overpaid POS.

[TB#1]

So does anyone else think that Wallace is screwing Noah over because Noah is better than him and Big B doesn't want to lose his playing time?

That's basically what I got from this supposed "veteran's" meeting. But it could be my conspiracy theory part of my brain going off unexpectedly.

[dougthonus]

Do you really think it's a slippery slope? Do you really think that the team is going to start voting on everything?

This was a very unique situation.

Do you think discussing this for 10 minutes was more interesting than asking why the hell Tyrus and Noah can barely get on the court, but Ben Wallace can absolutely suck balls and still play?

Is it more interesting then asking about how crowded our front court is and what he feels about signing both Nocioni and Joe Smith?

Is it more interesting then asking about what he sees are the major problems with this team and what he'd like to do to fix it?

The Bulls are really at a crossroads with so many players on the roster and trying to choose a direction is going to be pivotal now. Seriously, I don't think I could care any less about this about this issue than I do.

I have no idea if Paxson would give me any useful answers, but I sure as hell could have hit him with about 50 more useful questions.

[sporadiclee]

For a former announcer, Paxson did not come off well. Personally, I didn't have many problems with the questions he was asked. Who doesn't want to complain to Pax about signing Ben Wallace? The answers, however, did not breed confidence for this team's future. Especially the one where he said people wouldn't be questioning the team so much if they were winning. No kidding.

Paxson has also been protected by the Eddy Curry trade for the last couple of years. Two years ago, the regression was excused by the sudden lack of inside presence, which is valid, and the promise of the Knicks' pick. Last year was an improvement, but I think the possibility of Durant or Oden blinded a lot of fans to the severity of this teams' problems. Myself included. The national media continually pointed out the flaws in the roster, but Bulls' fans (again, myself included) defended the roster's make-up and pointed to the results as proof. Now that the results aren't there, I know I feel kind of had for buying into Pax's rhetoric for so long.

Two points guards in the backcourt. A reportedly 6'9" center who's been historically ineffective. More effective younger players anchored to the bench. The team's best scorer coming off the bench. Pax is right. These unorthodox moves look ingenious when you're winning, and it's difficult for people to question them. When you're losing, though, they just seem kind of insane.

And, for what it's worth, for those hoping for a move by the deadline, ESPN's True Hoop doesn't agree.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-2 ... Watch.html