Addition of a PG

[CarolinaCash]

First a hypothetical question.........I'm a Carolina grad so I love Felton but he's not where I would have hoped yet. If we would have a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd running this team how much better would we be? Would we be a playoff team and if so then what seed in the East? Would Chris Paul or Deron Williams on this team equal to the playoffs?



Also, why don't we get an Andre Barrett or CJ Watson type player for the D league to take Jeff McGinnis' spot? Watson already signed somewhere but Barrett has been tearing it up. We pound a good player in Carroll in the D league.......why don't we try again?

[Bowens]

First a hypothetical question.........I'm a Carolina grad so I love Felton but he's not where I would have hoped yet. If we would have a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd running this team how much better would we be? Would we be a playoff team and if so then what seed in the East? Would Chris Paul or Deron Williams on this team equal to the playoffs?



Also, why don't we get an Andre Barrett or CJ Watson type player for the D league to take Jeff McGinnis' spot? Watson already signed somewhere but Barrett has been tearing it up. We pound a good player in Carroll in the D league.......why don't we try again?

Why would you start this thread after a great game by Felton? Did you see Felton tonight? He was like Jason Kidd tonight. Still needs to work on his shot, but his leading the team and playing like a TRUE point guard was beautiful to watch.

[GoBobcats]

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Why would you start this thread after a great game by Felton? Did you see Felton tonight? He was like Jason Kidd tonight. Still needs to work on his shot, but his leading the team and playing like a TRUE point guard was beautiful to watch.

I think it was pointed more on Mecminus direction.
I love Felton.
But i admid that i am dissapointed in his progression.
I think some of us agree that when Felton is on he can be on of the 10 best PG in the East, if not top 5, but he is not on enough.
But we all agree that Mcminus is a wast of time.
Replace him with a Veteran like Boykins or a Prospect.
A 1 Year Contract.
Nothing to lose!

[DaBassSource]

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Why would you start this thread after a great game by Felton? Did you see Felton tonight? He was like Jason Kidd tonight. Still needs to work on his shot, but his leading the team and playing like a TRUE point guard was beautiful to watch.

Bowens I saw this thread last night and completely ignored it because I agree with you totally...I can see you bitching about him not hitting shots...but damn he was moving the ball last night like a pro...Hell he has been playing pretty well the last couple weeks ...EXCEPT he can't seem to hit a shot.....

[W_HAMILTON]

First a hypothetical question.........I'm a Carolina grad so I love Felton but he's not where I would have hoped yet. If we would have a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd running this team how much better would we be? Would we be a playoff team and if so then what seed in the East? Would Chris Paul or Deron Williams on this team equal to the playoffs?

With any of those guys, we'd be close to leading the division, if not leading the division.

The talent is there, obviously. We have a lot of good players. Unfortunately for most of this season, we haven't been able to get them going. With the lineup tinkering, they've started playing better lately, but that's still like two months down the drain. A great PG like those could have overcome whatever poor coaching we got from Vincent, because a great PG is like an on-court coach, anyway. And a great PG could have helped us through those tough times we had offensively. Those are two of the biggest problems we had earlier in the year, which led to us getting off to a disappointing start.

[spectre_]

If we would have a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James running this team how much better would we be? Would we be a playoff team and if so then what seed in the East? Would Dwayne Wade or Carmello Anthony on this team equal to the playoffs?

Heck, if we're going to wish for all stars let's go for the best!!!

[W_HAMILTON]

It goes back to:

(1) We never had a chance to acquire any of those guys.

(2) I don't recall anyone comparing Wallace to James, or Richardson to Kobe, even though I'm pretty sure I've seen one of our players compared to a few of those "special" PGs.

[spectre_]

It goes back to:

(1) We never had a chance to acquire any of those guys..

Key word being HAD.

If we're going to engage is wishful "what if's" about turning back the clock we might as well dream of LeBron James. Whatever gets you guys off I guess. Personally I'm more into the here and now.

I don't recall anyone comparing Wallace to James, or Richardson to Kobe

What does that have anything to do with this topic in wishing for an all star???

[DaBassSource]

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What does that have anything to do with this topic in wishing for an all star???

Spec I agree...what a waste of harddisk space....

[W_HAMILTON]

And when people like you bitch and moan about why Felton talk dominates this board, remember back to times like this...

And here's a clue: when you miss out on a "special" player that you could have had, and your team is disappointing, it's not surprising that some people will say, "gee, what if we had only gotten that special player?"

What is the point of any msg board? Why say "what if" to anything? I guess you should never bitch about Vincent again, since you're into the "here and now" and not the "what-ifs."

He said it was a hypothetical question, so deal with it. If you want to start your own hypothetical question about what if we had Lebron, go ahead.

[spectre_]

Winning sure is fun!

I'm supposed to remember back to when Felton gets 15 assists in a game whenever people make threads like this? That makes all sorts of sense!

If we would have a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd running this team how much better would we be? Would we be a playoff team and if so then what seed in the East? Would Chris Paul or Deron Williams on this team equal to the playoffs?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was another "Woe is us, why didn't we trade the 5th and 13th pick for the #3 pick" thread, mainly because he opened up with Nash & Kidd. To the best of my recollection we didn't have a chance to get either, and if it was all about the '05 draft he wouldn't have started out with those guys. I certainly didn't take this as another "it's all the fan's fault" thread.

Of course I'm not surprised at all that you would take the opportunity...no one needed a "clue" for that one.

But go ahead on; after all it's what a message board is for. Me...I'm just happy as hell we're playing so good right now.

[W_HAMILTON]

And he said it was a hypothetical.

That's like me posting "what if ketchup was yellow?" and you going on a rant about "why ask why ketchup is yellow, why not ask why the sky is blue?"

Well, because I didn't ask that.

And, no, you are supposed to remember you getting all defensive because that guy posted a hypothetical question.

Would you have jumped on his ass if he posed a "what if" we had Lebron? Probably not. So why get all defensive when he posted what he did?

If you don't like to hear the bitching about Felton, you might want to quit adding to it.

[spectre_]

I "jumped on his ass"???

at that perspective!!!

I responded to HIS post...YOU seem to be the one who took offense to my response. I haven't been defensive in the least; in fact I'm finding this quite humorous actually.

You see, winning puts ME in a great mood!

We're playing good ball now...shame you can't find some joy in that. Instead you'd still rather pine about what could have been and get all pissed off instead of relishing a very good victory last night.

Telling indeed.

Aren't you supposed to get too busy to post during win streaks?

[W_HAMILTON]

For someone in such a good mood, you sure do seem angry!

And you didn't respond to his post, at least not the question he posed. You got defensive, and still are.

Much like you don't know my schedule, you also don't know what I "feel." But I'm glad by just posting what you did, you just pointed out the obvious and confirmed that you only posted what you did because you were angry and defensive, and not because you really gave a damn about "what if" Lebron were on this team.

And that was my original point, thanks for demonstrating it!

PS - 1 doesn't count as a streak

[Paydro70]

I agree with Hamilton... it's a simple question, there's no reason to make this an indictment of Ray as a player necessarily. He is what he is... I'm disappointed that now in his third year he's playing much the same as last year, indicating he might not improve much more. I'm also disappointed Emeka isn't improving either, so he's not going to be an all-star ever either.

The question was, how good would this team be if we added an all-star at PG? The corrollary suggested by spectre is what if we added one at a different position? The answer depends a lot on what you think each position means and the relative value of our players at those spots.

Hamilton, of course, thinks that a top-5 PG would make this team of supporting cast members into a top team in the east. I think that's probably true, in a way that is not true for replacing JRich or Wallace with Kobe/Wade/TMac or LeBron/Pierce/Butler.

That's not to say Ray is a BAD player, but he's definitely not as good as Jrich or Wallace are, and so going from slightly below-average to top-5 is a bigger difference than very good to top-5. You might also say that adding a PF like Boozer or KG or Tim Duncan instead of Emeka would of course instantly make us into a playoff team, as would replacing Mohammed with Yao or Dwight Howard.

So ultimately I'm more on Spectre's side... sure, if we replaced something other than a swingman with a top-5 player, we'd probably be a playoff team. But it's not just PG.

Also: Jason Kidd is not an all-star or even a very good PG anymore, and should not be included in discussions with Nash, Paul, or even Deron Williams.

[Dav7z]

Spectre im like you im just happy as hell we are finaly playing good ball. I will take 15 assist and seven points from Felton ever night . I really think Felton is about to be turned loose and we will all see what he can really do leading a team . As i have heard reports of Nazr and Ok playing toghter at the same time. If that happens it will give us all a chance to assess Felton on what he can really do. If that happens i look to see him average 14 and 10 the rest of the year.

[spectre_]

Who said "replace"? I'm adding baby!!!

Flash/JRich/Crash/Mek/Nazr
Felton/JRich/Lebron/Crash/Mek
Felton/Kobe/JRich/Crash/Mek

My point (which I thought obvious) was that we might as well wish for the very best in the league...there's very few of them and odds are none of their respective teams will give them up.

Ever hear of that line "wish in one hand..."?

Would I like to have any of those players? In a New York minute. Thing is I see about 60 million in each of those starting groups. In the real world that ain't happening...least in the near future. If the opportunity DID come along to get one of those guys I'd hope we'd weigh the consequences and make the right decision whatever it is.

Hope that wasn't too "angry" or "defensive"...



Dav...I like Felton ok, but no doubt he can be improved upon. I just don't see him or his position as the sole reason for sinking or swimming...and that's been proven lately (obviously JSwish has shared the secret of getting around Felton's "evil aura" ). My position has always been that no player is untouchable (Crash is about as close as one could be though) and we should look at anything to improve the team.

[Dav7z]

Spectra i agree its better points out thair . I all so would up grade Felton if it was realistic. But right now Felton should not even put in the same sentance as MCINNIS. Mcinnis on most teams would not even make the team much less start. As for Felton i think he could start for at least 10 teams in the league right now. No hes not a ALL STAR yes he is inconsistant . But starting at POINT in a regular rotation he should be more than servicable.

[spectre_]

Spectra i agree its better points out thair . I all so would up grade Felton if it was realistic. But right now Felton should not even put in the same sentance as MCINNIS. Mcinnis on most teams would not even make the team much less start. As for Felton i think he could start for at least 10 teams in the league right now. No hes not a ALL STAR yes he is inconsistant . But starting at POINT in a regular rotation he should be more than servicable.

There's no comparison between Touche' and Felts. I feel very confident that using Touche' wasn't so much Felton as the poor play of Hammer plus Mek getting used to playing with Nazr. In the crunch Vincent has almost always gone with Felton as the PG.

I said everyone is susceptible to being traded if it makes the team better...but you have to find a REALISTIC plan to get that better player. The top 4 of 5 everyone wants are untouchables, so your talking incremental upgrading for the most part. That's fine, but you have to weigh the cost of getting that marginal upgrade.

Would you trade Crash for a lesser SF in order to have the money under the cap to pay Calderon 10-12 million per year for example? Some might...others wouldn't. For me losing Crash is a big NO...I'd rather stand pat.

Again...that's just an EXAMPLE. For all I know Toronto will match any and all offers. If TJ can't come back they probably will.

It's not so easy and in fact it's pretty darn hard...else everyone would have an above average PG.

[CarolinaCash]

I basically wanted to know if you guys think we mainly have the other parts on our team to get us to the next level once our point guard matures and improves. I just wanted to know if an elite point guard solves most of our problems or do we need a new coach, big man, etc.