Noah?

[wolves_fan_82au]

Chemistry, and BBIQ are underrated in todays basketball. Noah would fill the need at the 5 so we can draft BPA with clear hearts. He would also satisfy my desire for a 5 that can pass in the high post.

We are not even talking about his effect on brewer's confidence.

while we at it why dont we trade our pick top 3 protected for Horford lol

2nd round pick for Green

sign Lee Humphrey

Green/Foye
Humphrey/Mccants
Brewer/Gomes
Horford/Jefferson
Noah/Richard

[C.lupus]

Billy D's insight on the Noah situation

Interesting read. Sounds like Noah has a little growing up to do but it doesn't sound like anything major to me. He might fit in well on a young team like this.

This quote made me think of KG (wouldn't hurt to put a little of that attitude back on the team):

"I know what Jo's biggest problem is. Jo just wants to win. And when he sees things that are getting in the way of winning, Jo has a way to become somewhat demonstrative or loud or speak his opinion. I will never believe that his suspension has anything to do with him being selfish. I think his suspension, if anything, has to do with him wanting to win."

[revprodeji]

Cause we already have a 4. Duh...unless you beasley lovers are convinced Horford can play the 3. I mean he does have a nice 15ft jumper and is athletic.

[Worm Guts]

Cause we already have a 4. Duh...unless you beasley lovers are convinced Horford can play the 3. I mean he does have a nice 15ft jumper and is athletic.

I don't see how that's a fair comparison. Both draftnet and draft express list Beasley as a SF/PF. It's not like people on this board invented the idea that Beasley can play SF.

[MN Die Hard]

How about Rev's deal plus Smith?

So Noah for Smith/Green and the Miami pick and our 2nd this year?

Still on board?

[Klomp]

I think we are giving away too much

[4ho5ive]

I like having that Miami pick stashed away for next year. We will have that pick (mid-1st i think), Bostons pick (late 1st) and our own (lotto) which will give us a lot of flexibility in moving around and maybe also picking up assets. Not that I think having Noah wont help, but if it costs us both of Cookie and Gomes and our 2nd round pick AND the MIA pick, thats too much for me.

I want to be able to resign one of Gomes/Cookie.

[C.lupus]

I like having that Miami pick stashed away for next year. We will have that pick (mid-1st i think), Bostons pick (late 1st) and our own (lotto) which will give us a lot of flexibility in moving around and maybe also picking up assets. Not that I think having Noah wont help, but if it costs us both of Cookie and Gomes and our 2nd round pick AND the MIA pick, thats too much for me.
I want to be able to resign one of Gomes/Cookie.

Agreed. Rev suggested Green or Smith + Miami's pick + our 2nd rounder, which lets us re-sign Gomes. I'm still good with that offer or Smith + Green + Miami's pick (we keep our 2nd)

[Devilzsidewalk]

I like the idea of trading Gomes and Smith for financial reasons. Especially for a perfect prospect like Noah. I don't want to lock up 4 or 5 mil for each when the Wolves are a million miles away from competing.

[shrink]

Chicago's price tag for Noah is going to be what we'd want for Corey Brewer, plus add in more size and publicity.

I think Noah could be a great fit next to Al, with the potential to be the young defensive center we are looking for. He also has enough question marks in his game, that I think he could bust as well .. probably why he was picked ninth last year.

I'd almost rather keep our second rounder versus Gomes or Craig Smith, unless we can be assured of swapping them both for late firsts. Gomes, I think, is there -- Smith, I don't think so.

Here's an amusing little deal, that could refresh the Bulls, who are only three games out of the play-offs:

Gomes + Craig Smith + Gerald Green + Telfair

for

Noah + Khryapa + Adrian Griffin + Jamison Curry

+26.5 PPG, +7.0 RPG + 6.2 APG for CHI, and we eat an extra year of Adrian Griffin, but we could afford that after this trade. We get the best player in the deal.

I still think CHI would want more.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Gomes + Craig Smith + Gerald Green + Telfair

for

Noah + Khryapa + Adrian Griffin + Jamison Curry

+26.5 PPG, +7.0 RPG + 6.2 APG for CHI, and we eat an extra year of Adrian Griffin, but we could afford that after this trade. We get the best player in the deal.

I still think CHI would want more.

3 of those guys start for us though, for Chicago maybe Craig depending on what they do with Nocioni

I feel like Green/Gomes/Smith for Noah/filler is a strong offer though. Green gives them a big SG that can score, Gomes gives them just solid all around play, and Smith gives them post offense.

I'd go make an offer like that right now when they might be swayed and see their response.

[revprodeji]

Chicago's price tag for Noah is going to be what we'd want for Corey Brewer, plus add in more size and publicity.

I think Noah could be a great fit next to Al, with the potential to be the young defensive center we are looking for. He also has enough question marks in his game, that I think he could bust as well .. probably why he was picked ninth last year.

I'd almost rather keep our second rounder versus Gomes or Craig Smith, unless we can be assured of swapping them both for late firsts. Gomes, I think, is there -- Smith, I don't think so.

Here's an amusing little deal, that could refresh the Bulls, who are only three games out of the play-offs:

Gomes + Craig Smith + Gerald Green + Telfair

for

Noah + Khryapa + Adrian Griffin + Jamison Curry

+26.5 PPG, +7.0 RPG + 6.2 APG for CHI, and we eat an extra year of Adrian Griffin, but we could afford that after this trade. We get the best player in the deal.

I still think CHI would want more.

I disagree with a couple things here. 1.) Brewer has more value draft time then Noah. Because he was drafted earlier. Also, Noah is hardly a polished ready to roll player. He would be a great fit next to Jefferson, but he would not be that same player on other teams. We are probably the best case scenario for Noah. Also, I think the Miami pick is a needed asset. I believe because the season is so young they will want a pick.

I have no problem giving up that pick, because if Miami did make the playoffs and we had the 14-16 pick we would be hoping for Hardin and to me Noah is far better than Hardin. Also, there is the pipedream that the miami pick will be sexy next year, but there is a better chance that Wade+blue chip draft player=playoffs.

I think that the Miami pick, plus a second this year (early 30's remember) plus a filler ending contract (Smith makes sense, but I would give him or Green. Not Gomes) is more than enough for this deal.

--Personally Gomes is a guy i want to resign. Bassy can come back if he signs low, but Gomes is the guy I want. Green is gone, and Smith will get better offers and a better roll on a team that will give him more than 10-15 min a game.

Gomes should be resigned. Not only is he is hussle player who plays defense, has a high BBIQ and is great to the fans and media. He has lately shown the chance at being a scorer as well. I think we need to keep him.

[karch34]

Totally agree with everything you said rev.

Noah would be a nice fit, better than what we'd add if we got Miami's pick this year, and Miami's pick by the time we get it might not have that much value.

I like Smith, but I see him leaving as he's not the best fit for this roster, so I'd be open to including him in a deal. I really want to keep Gomes as well. I view Gomes as a solid starting SF and great backup combo F. Green might as well be included as he's gone.

[shrink]

I disagree with a couple things here. 1.) Brewer has more value draft time then Noah. Because he was drafted earlier.

Well, WE drafted him earlier, but I don't know if other teams would have at the time, and that sentiment has probably increased (well, at least until his teammates benched him)

Noah is hardly a polished ready to roll player. He would be a great fit next to Jefferson, but he would not be that same player on other teams. We are probably the best case scenario for Noah.

I agree completely.

Also, I think the Miami pick is a needed asset. I believe because the season is so young they will want a pick. I have no problem giving up that pick, because if Miami did make the playoffs and we had the 14-16 pick we would be hoping for Hardin and to me Noah is far better than Hardin. Also, there is the pipedream that the miami pick will be sexy next year, but there is a better chance that Wade+blue chip draft player=playoffs.

I don't know. Yeah, they have Wade and a draft pick, but they have almost half their salary cap locked into Shaq and Blount. Udonis I suppose is a starter, but they have too many holes to be competitive, and they can't solve them with no money and one draft pick (not even a #2).

I think that the Miami pick, plus a second this year (early 30's remember) plus a filler ending contract (Smith makes sense, but I would give him or Green. Not Gomes) is more than enough for this deal. Personally Gomes is a guy i want to resign. Bassy can come back if he signs low, but Gomes is the guy I want. Green is gone, and Smith will get better offers and a better roll on a team that will give him more than 10-15 min a game. Gomes should be resigned. Not only is he is hussle player who plays defense, has a high BBIQ and is great to the fans and media. He has lately shown the chance at being a scorer as well. I think we need to keep him.

I would also like to re-sign Gomes, but if we dealt him, there's no prohibition from us re-signing him for part of the MLE, right? I'd throw all those guys at CHI, and worry about re-signing them next year when it matters more. And like I said, I don't think it'll be enough, unless CHI really wants to change things right now.

[theGreatRC]

How about Rev's deal plus Smith?

So Noah for Smith/Green and the Miami pick and our 2nd this year?

Still on board?

For Noah?

Man, Noah hasn't even impressed me to throw in 2 players + 2 picks.

The energy is nice, but would you throw 2 players + 2 picks for Ronny Turiaf?


Mark Madsen does the same stuff as Noah.

[Klomp]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/13783501.html

(Halfway down page)

Wolves rookie Corey Brewer can empathize with what Joakim Noah -- his old teammate at Florida -- is going through in Chicago. At least to a certain extent. Both were key parts of back-to-back NCAA champions. Both got used to winning but have had to deal with a lot of losing as NBA rookies.

But Noah's rookie year has had a bit more drama, given word that his teammates voted that Noah be benched in the wake of his confrontation with assistant coach Ron Adams. Brewer, who has regular contact with Noah, had this advice for his old friend:

"I just talked to him, and I told him to keep his head up," Brewer said Monday. "It's a tough situation for him, but you have to work through it. He has to start from scratch [with his teammates] there now. But he can do it. He's a good guy."

As for dealing with losing games? That has been a regular subject in calls between the two. "We just try to keep each other's spirits up," Brewer said. "It's going to get better, because it can't get no worse."

[the_bruce]

Meh I'd toss out this deal

Smith + MIA pick for Curry (buyout curry)
then
Noah for TE + 2nd

[MN Die Hard]

Meh I'd toss out this deal

Smith + MIA pick for Curry (buyout curry)
then
Noah for TE + 2nd

Why not just Green/Smith/MIA pick/2nd for Noah? Why even bother with the Curry buyout?

[theGreatRC]

^
If you think Noah is worth all of that, you are in for a major let down.

[Worm Guts]

^
If you think Noah is worth all of that, you are in for a major let down.

Green and Smith are probably gone at the end of the season anyway, a 2nd round isn't worth much even at the top of the round. We're not giving up a ton.