Vecsey prints the details on the Z-Bo rumor

[fam3381]

As far as im concerned our starting pf/c should not be tampered with.

That's my feeling too. If we were talking about someone like a Ron Artest, who is combustible but fairly unselfish and plays a position that we have no longer-term solution at, then I'd actually say screw it and want to roll the dice.

I realize Artest's salary and availability are very different from Randolph, and even so I understand if some people wouldn't want him. But I think any big move the Bucks make has to be one that looks at the longer term, and acquiring a moody PF who's owed $60 million doesn't do that IMO.

[carmelbrownqueen]

I don't know. That trade is better than any I've seen. Getting rid of Simmons and Gadzuric in one trade? That's gold. But I still don't like Randolph.

I like the idea of dumping Gadzuric, Simmons and Villanueva, but I am concerned about how having a career malcontent would affect the development of Andrew Bogut and Yi Jianlian.

I want to get rid of these guys but I don't want to hurt our developing young bigs. Randolph isn't going to pass the ball to anyone but himself, so if fans on this board have a problem with Redd (and he has been passing the ball more this season than any other) then how could anyone possibly want Randolph on this team?

I know that the Sonics are shopping Chris Wilcox, I just don't know what they would want for him.. and I would really prefer to grab him over Randolph. I figure if things don't work out with Wilcox we could always let him leave at the end of his contract.

[xTitan]

I am not an Eddy Curry fan at all but at least last year he showed improvement on the offensive end, but adding Randolph basically killed him this year, made him irrelevent and I am guessing Thomas is trying to rectify that problem he caused. Could you also imagine another bad contract to go with the starting backcourts bad contracts? Adding another low IQ player?

[Buck You]

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I like the idea of dumping Gadzuric, Simmons and Villanueva, but I am concerned about how having a career malcontent would affect the development of Andrew Bogut and Yi Jianlian.

I want to get rid of these guys but I don't want to hurt our developing young bigs. Randolph isn't going to pass the ball to anyone but himself, so if fans on this board have a problem with Redd (and he has been passing the ball more this season than any other) then how could anyone possibly want Randolph on this team?

I know that the Sonics are shopping Chris Wilcox, I just don't know what they would want for him.. and I would really prefer to grab him over Randolph. I figure if things don't work out with Wilcox we could always let him leave at the end of his contract.

Yeah, Chris Wilcox would be awesome. He is a very high energy player and actually has talent, unlike Gadz. But unless the Sonics can get another expiring I just think they let him expire. No reason for the Sonics to take on bad contracts in their current state.

[MajorDad]

I would have made the deal.

Concern is mentioned about his long term contract. so what? Are the Bucks about to close their doors in 2009 that they cannot have contracts that go beyond that date?

he destroys chemistry? Well quite frankly, we need some new chemistry on this team. I' m tired of the hugging love fest. it's time to get rid of the everybody is such a nice guy on and off the court and start hating each other. get some 'tude.

Randolph is a bad guy off the court. Milwaukee has a lot of night clubs. they would probably welcome the increased business. I'm sure Milwaukee's law enforcement officials know the make and model and license plate number of the cars randolph drives and if he starts swerving late at night, he will be picked up and his car will be searched. And I' m quite sure the Milwaukee DA and Randolph's attorney will reach some sort of agreement if anything illegal is found.

if you subtract all the off the court and chemistry and financial and locker room issues, you have a trade involving a quasi all star and a young player for a guy who will never be much more than a bench warmer (GADZ) a guy whose basketball intelligence is questioned daily (CV) and a guy who is a shell of his former self (Simmons). Randolph has had some good games on defense. he can score. And he would provide a lot more for the Bucks than Simmons, gadz and CV ever will. I have to believe crawford's shoot at all costs is what is hurting Curry this year and not randolph. The Knicks play a lot better when Crawford is injured. Randolph doesn't see eye to eye with Thomas? I think that's a good thing. If thomas wants to get rid of somebdoy, you know the trade is lopsided in favor of the other team.

I think the fact that portland is doing much better this year is because of the oden factor. teams with the #1 overall draft pick usually improve 13+ games over their previous year. oden has a aura about him that his team improves and he doesn't even have to play. Just think what next year will be like.

I admit portland literally gave randolph away and asked for very little in return, and now the knicks are doing the same in less than a year. That sounds like Anthony mason. Was mason a cancer for the bucks? or was he just the wrong player in the wrong situation? maybe what the bucks should have done was keep Mason and get rid of the other 4 starters.

The article speaks volumes about harris as a GM. it's now obvious to the national media he's no longer calling the shots. We've known this for awhile. and it's doubtful he'll be pulling the trigger on any more trades. Squeamish is a good word to describe harris. Gunshy maybe. or lame duck or puppet. harris is no longer able to call his own shots even though his job depends on it. Like jerry Jones, Kohl has taken over.

[Rockmaninoff]

Oden's meer presence has made Portland winners? That is an interesting theory, MajorDad. But, I'd have to say that the reason they are winning, is because Randolph's exit made it Roy's team. Just like, Redd's exit would make this Bogut's team.

[Buck You]

Oden's meer presence has made Portland winners? That is an interesting theory, MajorDad. But, I'd have to say that the reason they are winning, is because Randolph's exit made it Roy's team. Just like, Redd's exit would make this Bogut's team.

Yeah and plus they have Lamarcus Aldridge who is a future stud plus Travis Outlaw who is a very good complimentary player. They all like each other and have a great mix of guys on that team. If they get a better point guard they will be consistent 52+ winners in the West.

[Rockmaninoff]

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Yeah and plus they have Lamarcus Aldridge who is a future stud plus Travis Outlaw who is a very good complimentary player. They all like each other and have a great mix of guys on that team. If they get a better point guard they will be consistent 52+ winners in the West.

Correct. I do like Jarrett Jack for them, though.

I'd like Sergio Rodriguez for us.

[emunney]

Reed, you've got it all backwards. The reason to avoid Randolph isn't because he destroys some mythical behind-closed-doors chemistry. It's because he ruins teams on the court. He's got a ton of basketball skills, but he's a bad five on five player. Everything else -- the contract, the interpersonal skills, the senator's image -- is secondary.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I would have made the deal.

Concern is mentioned about his long term contract. so what? Are the Bucks about to close their doors in 2009 that they cannot have contracts that go beyond that date?

he destroys chemistry? Well quite frankly, we need some new chemistry on this team. I' m tired of the hugging love fest. it's time to get rid of the everybody is such a nice guy on and off the court and start hating each other. get some 'tude.

Randolph is a bad guy off the court. Milwaukee has a lot of night clubs. they would probably welcome the increased business. I'm sure Milwaukee's law enforcement officials know the make and model and license plate number of the cars randolph drives and if he starts swerving late at night, he will be picked up and his car will be searched. And I' m quite sure the Milwaukee DA and Randolph's attorney will reach some sort of agreement if anything illegal is found.

if you subtract all the off the court and chemistry and financial and locker room issues, you have a trade involving a quasi all star and a young player for a guy who will never be much more than a bench warmer (GADZ) a guy whose basketball intelligence is questioned daily (CV) and a guy who is a shell of his former self (Simmons). Randolph has had some good games on defense. he can score. And he would provide a lot more for the Bucks than Simmons, gadz and CV ever will. I have to believe crawford's shoot at all costs is what is hurting Curry this year and not randolph. The Knicks play a lot better when Crawford is injured. Randolph doesn't see eye to eye with Thomas? I think that's a good thing. If thomas wants to get rid of somebdoy, you know the trade is lopsided in favor of the other team.

I think the fact that portland is doing much better this year is because of the oden factor. teams with the #1 overall draft pick usually improve 13+ games over their previous year. oden has a aura about him that his team improves and he doesn't even have to play. Just think what next year will be like.

I admit portland literally gave randolph away and asked for very little in return, and now the knicks are doing the same in less than a year. That sounds like Anthony mason. Was mason a cancer for the bucks? or was he just the wrong player in the wrong situation? maybe what the bucks should have done was keep Mason and get rid of the other 4 starters.

The article speaks volumes about harris as a GM. it's now obvious to the national media he's no longer calling the shots. We've known this for awhile. and it's doubtful he'll be pulling the trigger on any more trades. Squeamish is a good word to describe harris. Gunshy maybe. or lame duck or puppet. harris is no longer able to call his own shots even though his job depends on it. Like jerry Jones, Kohl has taken over.

Drugs are bad.....mmmmkay

You must've started hanging out with MMBOT

Seriously, this is the most nonsensical garbage reasoning I think I've ever seen.

Why don't we just pick up Stephon Marbury while we're at it?

[mnstinks]

Do we really want someone who calls himself a "gangsta" on the Bucks...


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[Luv those Knicks]

Most knick fans don't like this trade either.


as far as Zach goes - somebody nailed it on the head, it's what he does on the court that can hurt a team. Black hole & low percentage shots. He's still a talented player, unathletic, but really good with the ball, hard to stop in the paint and he's got range on his jumper out to the 3 pt line. No question Zach has talent, but he's not a ball mover, and he does at times hurt the team more than he helps us. And his D is uninspired too.

As far as chemistry, he's not a bad guy. People like him. He's not a thug and he wants to play. He gets mad when Isiah benches him.


Balkman has been invisible this season, but last 2 games he's returned to form. No question, Balkman's a fun player, great team guy, good rebounder, defender, hustle player. Expect to see Balkman's numbers show clear improvement over the rest of the season.



You guys win the trade talent wise, and salary wise it seems about even, but the question is, do you want Zach.

[InsideOut]

When has accepting a trade offer from Isia ever not worked out for a team. Haven't we learned anything over the years? I'd have done the deal. At least we'd have something new and fun to watch for a while.

[emunney]

The reason that's true is that people turn down his offers when they're unfavorable.

[MajorDad]

I'd take Marbury too. he could help pay for spreewell's boat.

However, we all know marbury injured himself this week. maybe next week, or if we can get him cheap. just think if we had marbury and mo as our starting guards. we wouldn't win man y games, but we'd have great stories to read about in the papers. and isn't that what people come to real gm for anyway?

What's the rea l purpose of the NBA ? it's to entertain. and it does a grea t job of it. it provides as muc h drama for former jocks as day time soaps provide to people who stay at home while their spouce works. Why else would classic ESPN actually have any viewers? We all like to escape and relive the moment as if we were the man.

the New York Knicks are just a long running basketball opera made up for our pleasure. the only problem is that the scripts have become predictable. is their any difference between marbury and earl the pearl monroe? they are a story that sells newspapers.



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[EastSideBucksFan]

I'd take Marbury too. he could help pay for spreewell's boat.

However, we all know marbury injured himself this week. maybe next week, or if we can get him cheap. just think if we had marbury and mo as our starting guards. we wouldn't win man y games, but we'd have great stories to read about in the papers. and isn't that what people come to real gm for anyway?

What's the rea l purpose of the NBA ? it's to entertain. and it does a grea t job of it. it provides as muc h drama for former jocks as day time soaps provide to people who stay at home while their spouce works. Why else would classic ESPN actually have any viewers? We all like to escape and relive the moment as if we were the man.

the New York Knicks are just a long running basketball opera made up for our pleasure. the only problem is that the scripts have become predictable. is their any difference between marbury and earl the pearl monroe? they are a story that sells newspapers.



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Put the bottle down


Drinking and posting are a dangerous combo


Get yourself to an AA meeting fast

You have fallen off the wagon

[coolhandluke121]

I've always believed the Knicks were one of the few sensible trade partners for the Bucks when it comes to moving Gadz and Bobby. CV is a great fit for them as well because they need to start Lee and bring a scoring 3/4 off the bench.

No reason the Bucks should consider adding Randolph, though. It might seem there's a reason (rebounding and low-post scoring) but that's superficial. Everybody knows the Bucks can't accomodate Randolph. Is there any third team that could take Randolph and salvage this trade?

I think Chicago could accomodate him, they have lots of smart players who all seem like good complementary scorers, but no true low-post scorer. If they start playing good D again I could see them riding Z-Bo's scoring all day and being just good enough to win more games, even if he does hurt their ball movement. It's not like they have much offense to sabotage in the first place!

Sacto took Artest, maybe they'd take a flier on Zach as well. Other than Mikki Moore they have Abdur-Rahim and Kenny Thomas at pf, and would probably love to unload either of those two in a trade. They don't have a true low-post scorer as Brad Miller is more a "top-of-the-key, face the basket and hit jumpers" breed of center. And a good passer as well. Z-Bo could possibly help them a little, maybe even get them to the playoffs given the emergence of Salmons, Udrih, Garcia, and Martin. Could they be interested in unloading Artest to play Salmons and Garcia more? Not out of the question IMO. At least worth a call...

[Rockmaninoff]

Coolhand - That Sacramento trade is entirely reasonable. Randolph and 2008 first round pick for Artest and Thomas. Both teams win. Just as long as Randolph stays away from Milwaukee.

[David416]

Just Wondering who turned down Isiah's offer, was it harris or Kohl
it was posted last week how Kohl's inner circle liked Villaneuva.
I think if this is harris decision alone to make he would have done it.
simmons and gads value only goes down over time. If a player produces you can always find another team to take your problem. Randolph has much more future value them simmons and gadz. even if he is a nutjob

[bango_the_buck]

"I would've taken that deal in a heartbeat," an impartial head coach said. "The Bucks are saturated with perimeter shooters who would really thrive if defend ers had to honor an in side game. Zach draws double teams, no two ways about it. "I under stand Zach has a past. I understand his personality, issues and liabilities must be managed. I understand his contract is a major league obligation. But if a good team wants to get someplace, someone must be able to get you to that position. If that someone averages 20 and 10 (actually 16.8 points and 10 rebounds in 31.8 minutes) and it's more than he's giving up at the other end, you pull the trigger."

Obviously, much, if not all of the above made the Bucks too squeamish

In conclusion, if according to me, the Bucks turned down this deal, "then someone should consider anesthetizing their GM, while Isiah should be brought before the Nuremberg tribunal for crimes against mankind," Chip Stern e-mails in full rant.

This impartial head coach should convince the managment of his team to get in on a three-way with us and the Knicks and send us back an expiring for Randolph...