Mully & Hanley going off on the bulls NOW!

[theanimal23]

I don't know what to think. If he sucks, I'll hate Pax for not taking Roy/Gay/Aldridge, and if he is good elsewhere, I'll hate Pax for not having Ty develop here.

well, hell, why be rational?

just hate pax now, and get a head start.....

Well what has been rational this season?

Is it too much to question the Tyrus pick? I love the kid, and want him to succeed. But the issue stems in many directions. Aldridge was there. Fine, I understand why we passed on him, and I am okay with it. I totally am. But, if we do not decide to evaluate Tyrus here in Chicago, then we (Pax) ruined this pick. How many playoff teams have a chance of using two lotto picks? One being a #2 pick.

My issue is, if he is traded as this report is saying, then we failed as an organization. Whether it is scouting, development, or using logic.

Of course, if the trade helps improve our weaknesses, I have no issue as I would with any trade that does this. But if we trade him for pebbles, I do not know what it admits. A mistake? Possibly. That we are in Win Now mode and maybe Tyrus was the right pick for another time period, possibly. Or that we must get our money's worth with Wallace/Smith while not winning at the same time?

I'm still Pro Pax, but the direction of this team was suppose to go up. I can deal with losses if we are in rebuild mode. But we are not and looking like we may. I fear we may make a trade that is just horrible and our guys pan out elsewhere. Maybe they will never succeed here for reasons that are only available in the locker room. I believe Topper had a post about him attending the Hawks game and the team just being out of it. Why is that? Egos? Contracts? Turning on the Organization? I don't know.

But I don't see why it's not fair for a fan to be disgruntled and hating their GM time to time. His job is to improve the team. The handling of the situation with the youngsters frustrates me more than anything. The picks are done. But we have this in our own hands. Yet we rather lose to some of the worst teams in the league by riding the Vets.

Again, unless Tyrus pans out, it's a lose-lose situation. I am not going to be okay with any GM not making the right choice with a top 5 or top 10 pick. Sadly, as a fan, I feel that we have a right to know if Tyrus will be good or bad.

[theanimal23]

[quote="DuckIII"][/quote]

Thank You. That is what I meant.

Option 3 is the best. And I think we have the right to know if Tyrus is the real deal or not. If he's not, we'll move on. But to give up on him with investing much into him and not even having the opportunity to see how it turns out, is just horrible IMO.

Hence, I want not trade for beans, and more PT for him and the youngsters.

[dougthonus]

NBA playoffs is the standard? Slightly better then my kids soccer team were everyone gets a trophy I guess.

The Bulls under his reign have been better than average. He started off over the cap with no good players and a bunch of long term cancerous contracts and never got a pick that could have been a franchise player.

Up until this season, the team was on an upward trend. They made the second round of the playoffs with an extremely young roster last year, and there was a lot of reason to be happy going into this season.

Things have gone far worse this season than anyone predicted. If you predicted we'd be on pace to win 32 games this year then please, link me to that prediction and I will call you a genius. The problem for Paxson is not that he didn't see this team's flaws when there was every reason to be optimistic. The problem will be if he is unable to right the ship next season and manage our roster to again give us a chance to be competitive.

I'm disappointed in the season, but the team the GM needs to shake things up is usually the off season. The fault of this year falls on the players for playing so far underneath their proven ability levels. If the team has a 30 some odd win season next year the fault will be with Paxson for not being able to fix the mess.

[Badboy]

relax duck. You seem to be getting frustrated.

We both know that he has no true facts on what you are asking, unless he works for an NBA organization. However you can make judgement on Paxson's character based on the little information presented to us over time even though yes it may seem hard. Was there discussion with the bulls and Memphis going on about Pau Gasol??? yes Did Pau want to leave? yes Did it appear by reports that Deng was the hold up (Memphis asking too much)?? yes So my opinion based on media, whether true or not; does Paxson lack balls?????
I don't know go ask his wife

[Bullsville]

No offense Shinky/Southside Rod, but if you are listening to the Score, you should expect to hear a lot of stupidity.

[scornfulskiles]

Bernstein is a pompous _ss who has never been wrong in his mind. Tyrus isn't going anywhere unless a package deal is in place.

[DuckIII]

relax duck. You seem to be getting frustrated.

I'm always frustrated when people don't use common sense and then refuse to discuss things in an intellectually honest matter when simple questions are put to them.

In a court of law, I can have the judge direct topper9 to answer my questions. Here, I can't. But I'll ask them anyway because the asking followed by the refusal to answer is just as telling as the answer itself.

[topper09]

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I'm always frustrated when people don't use common sense and then refuse to discuss things in an intellectually honest matter when simple questions are put to them.

In a court of law, I can have the judge direct topper9 to answer my questions. Here, I can't. But I'll ask them anyway because the asking followed by the refusal to answer is just as telling as the answer itself.

that's hilarious !!!!

In a court of law... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[topper09]

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I'm always frustrated when people don't use common sense and then refuse to discuss things in an intellectually honest matter when simple questions are put to them.

In a court of law, I can have the judge direct topper9 to answer my questions. Here, I can't. But I'll ask them anyway because the asking followed by the refusal to answer is just as telling as the answer itself.

Here you go Duck.. I spoke to Jay Mariotti myself about an hour ago. He agreed with me and decided to write an article about it in chicagosuntimes. Read it and hop on the badwagon.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti ... 08.article

[bagsboy]

NBA playoffs is the standard? Slightly better then my kids soccer team were everyone gets a trophy I guess.

The Bulls under his reign have been better than average. He started off over the cap with no good players and a bunch of long term cancerous contracts and never got a pick that could have been a franchise player.

Up until this season, the team was on an upward trend. They made the second round of the playoffs with an extremely young roster last year, and there was a lot of reason to be happy going into this season.

Things have gone far worse this season than anyone predicted. If you predicted we'd be on pace to win 32 games this year then please, link me to that prediction and I will call you a genius. The problem for Paxson is not that he didn't see this team's flaws when there was every reason to be optimistic. The problem will be if he is unable to right the ship next season and manage our roster to again give us a chance to be competitive.

I'm disappointed in the season, but the team the GM needs to shake things up is usually the off season. The fault of this year falls on the players for playing so far underneath their proven ability levels. If the team has a 30 some odd win season next year the fault will be with Paxson for not being able to fix the mess.

Paxson has had three seasons to find points at either C or PF. He has done neither. Chandler is doing well next to West (19pts/per) and Wallace did much better next to Rasheed (15pts/per). It makes no sense to draft a project who has no offensive game to play next to Wallace with no offensive game.

I have been posting for three years about the lack of scoring at C and PF. My prediction is this team will not contend until it finds some scoring at C or PF. My prediction is this team will get worst as the season goes on with a GM who wont even hire a coach. The team know Pax has written off the season.....Getting a new GM in the off season is the best plan, IMO.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

ttt.

[JeffJordan]

To be fair and I know most don't want to hear it but... Paxson really has messed up much more than most are willing to admit. We had the pieces to make a trade for Gasol or KG. I really believe that. Although I think the Kobe trade was out of reach because he was going to veto the trade if Deng was involved.

[BR0D1E86]

To be fair and I know most don't want to hear it but... Paxson really has messed up much more than most are willing to admit. We had the pieces to make a trade for Gasol or KG. I really believe that. Although I think the Kobe trade was out of reach because he was going to veto the trade if Deng was involved.

When should he have traded for Garnett? When he offered Deng, Chandler and the second pick in the draft and got turned down? Garnett was simply not available until McHale decided his value had eroded enough and the Bulls were not in a position to make the trade at that time.

There are conflicting Gasol reports. One is that Memphis would have settled for Deng and another non-major piece. Paxson states that the price was so ridiculous that there were never substantive discussions.

Paxson has some work to do, but it

[JeffJordan]

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When should he have traded for Garnett? When he offered Deng, Chandler and the second pick in the draft and got turned down? Garnett was simply not available until McHale decided his value had eroded enough and the Bulls were not in a position to make the trade at that time.

There are conflicting Gasol reports. One is that Memphis would have settled for Deng and another non-major piece. Paxson states that the price was so ridiculous that there were never substantive discussions.

Paxson has some work to do, but it

[AirP.]

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We don't know what was offered for KG or Gasol-- either way in hindsight whatever Minny or Memphis wanted is probably more than fair now. PJ's contract along with a young player and lottery pick could have gotten a lot back in return.

Bottom line is that Paxson has NOT built a well-balanced team. I also think that TT is a bust for where he was picked... most will disagree with this but only time will tell.

We don't know so how can you blast him. He may have made very good offers but the other teams at those times just wanted almost everything? It's not like KG can do it all by himself and if we gave up half the team for him we'd be in the exact same place as the Timberwolves were for over a decade with him.

Kobe.... he had the right to veto and the Lakers never wanted to move him so they possibly only accepted offers that would make Chicago bad enough where Kobe wouldn't want to come to Chicago... maybe Deng was the guy who Kobe wanted to play with the Lakers knew that and made Chicago have to include him, basically making any trade offer impossible to get Kobe.

To be fair to Paxson, it's hard to make those good trades when your best players are BYC or still on rookie contracts because you have to give up so much talent to just meet the salary requirements for the trades. This summer Hinrich and Nocioni will be out of BYC status, the next offseason Deng and Gordon will be off BYC status(if still here) and Wallace will be an expiring contract.

The next 2 years are huge for Paxson, I think the early success for the Bulls in his tenure kind of changed the expectations on how fast this team was going to be able to be built for a championship.

[DuckIII]

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that's hilarious !!!!

In a court of law... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Still not answering the questions? Can't answer them?

[JeffJordan]

[quote="AirP."][/quote]

See now all you are doing is making excuses for him. So why can other teams make deals and improve themselves while Paxson has had better pieces to trade and done nothing? I think it is because he honestly thought that the team didn't need an upgrade at any position. His idea of an upgrade is letting PJ go and signing Joe Smith-- and drafting Noah.

If you want to be a Paxson apologist... fine but our record reflects the moves he has made or not made. Everyone wanted to blame Skiles but now he is gone and we are SLIGHTLY better right now but still not looking like a playoff team... well maybe a playoff team in the east but that isn't saying much.

[kyrv]

We have learned here that players improve the most during the off season, in the weight room, et al.

So, without having intimate knowledge of Tyrus' offseason plans, or having a crytal ball, there is no way to know that he is a bust, is there?

/ownage

We also learned here that Paxson knows more than us about basketball, and he says Tyrus is not a bust.

/ownage 2

[JeffJordan]

We have learned here that players improve the most during the off season, in the weight room, et al.

So, without having intimate knowledge of Tyrus' offseason plans, or having a crytal ball, there is no way to know that he is a bust, is there?

/ownage

We also learned here that Paxson knows more than us about basketball, and he says Tyrus is not a bust.

/ownage 2

Double ownage huh? You are ignorant. Didn't you see that I wrote: "only time will tell" and I said that it is my opinion that TT is a bust at where he was drafted. Thinking that the off-season, practice and weight room are not important in a player's development is just stupid. These three things are MUCH more important in a players development than PT. How do I know this? I work in an NBA weight room and I am on the court with players like Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins, chucking balls when they are working hard on their games after the normal practice is over.

[JeremyB0001]

I have been posting for three years about the lack of scoring at C and PF. My prediction is this team will not contend until it finds some scoring at C or PF.

Let's pretend Tyrus and Noah started and each played 35 MPG (foul trouble might get in the way but let's put that aside for the moment). Based on their current scoring averages, Tyrus would be averaging 12.3 PPG and Noah would be averaging 12.1 PPG. 24.4 PPG from your starting front court isn't all that great but you could do a lot worse (Smith averages 13.1 PPG as a starter and Wallace averages 4.5 for a total of 17.6 PPG). Keep in mind that both players are still very young and that Tyrus scored better last season than he has so far this season and there's room for considerable improvement. The problem isn't the personnel, it's how its being utilized.