Gil Leaves the Zards

[Blazer77]

A few options, as it looks like Gil's departure is going to happen.

Also, it might behoove Washington to sell high on Jamison. He's 31 and having a very good year. His trade value should be fairly high right now. He's a 4 who can stretch the D and shoot the 3, the "new style 4."

Build around Butler.


Here's some options I came up with:

1. Gil only to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas, Ben Gordon and Chris Duhon.

Chicago does this because it seems they can't get scoring no matter what lineup they use and a pairing of Hinrich and Arenas in the back court actually makes them bigger. I like a lineup of Hinrich, Arenas, Deng, Nocioni and Wallace for the Bulls.

Washington gets insurance for Jamison, scoring in Gordon and a decent PG to pair with AD. Gordon, Thomas and Butler form a nice young attack.

2. Gil to Memphis for Pau Gasol.

Gil has to slide to the 2 here (something he's been pretty vocal about being against).

Memphis keeps pushing up tempo and now has the quickest backcourt in the league in Conley and Arenas. Conley is allowed to come along a bit slower as Arenas can handle the ball as much as needed. The outside shooting with Miller and Arenas is deadly.

The Wizards get a great big (something they've always wanted) and somebody to open the lanes up for Jamison and Butler. Butler's ability to post from the 2/3 enhances Gasol's ability to play from the high post. Gasol, Jamison and Butler are all matchup problems and Gasol's passing is a huge asset for Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense.

3. Gil and Haywood to the Clips for Brand and Brevin Knight.

A risky trade for both teams. In Brand, the Wiz would be getting a dominant presence down low in a position that is fairly weak in the East. The Wizards have always lacked inside scoring. Jamison stays on and forms a very good inside outside combo. Wizards create big matchup problems for opposing teams in the post. Brevin Knight is a cheap stop gap who can pair with AD to give them a decent (albeit aging) presence at the 1. Outside shooting is a problem in the backcourt.

The Clips get their PG of the future and its up to Sterling to decide if they should pay him. Kaman's play has allowed for Brand to be a bit more expendable. If Livingston ever regains any semblance of his bright future, this becomes a very well rounded attack for the Clips.

4. Gil and Nick Young to the Mavs for Jason Terry and Devin Harris.

Somewhat ironic in the sense that Harris is the Wizard's original pick that they sent to the Mavs as part of the Jamison deal.

Dallas gets the crunch time scorer they need, to take the pressure off of Dirk. The combo of Dirk, Gil and Josh Howard is a formidable and balanced attack. Dallas is deep enough at G to handle trading their two primary ball handlers and Gil is forced to play a very similar role to the one he already plays in DC.

The Wizards get two decent ball handlers to pair in their back court. Terry's 3 point shooting offsets the loss of Gil and Harris' ability to get into the lane allows open looks for Terry and Jamison on the wings. Interesting lineup of Harris, Terry, Butler, Jamison and ?


So there you go a few ideas for moving Gil.

I didn't touch Jamison. Its too contingent on Gil.

[yungal07]

The only one that is semi-reasonable is Arenas for Gasol (and we'd want one of their point guards in return).

Those other deals are garbage. BTW Gilbert is going nowhere.

[WizardsWorld]

Those trades are awful... Gil is going NO WHERE... we're gonna lock him up long term. I know its hard to imagine since he's hurt now but last year I was saying the only player in the whole league we'd trade him for is LeBron... and even now theres only about 5 guys in the league we'd trade him for... LeBron, Dwight Howard, Oden, Durant, Kobe... thats about it...

He's not going anywhere... so pointless to even make these attempts at trades.

[bringinhinkie]

no teams do those trades.. brand>gil, gil doesnt fit on chicago, memphis is prolly going to build around their young studs, mavs dont even consider.. hes a chemistry killer. only a team who wants a star and has nothing going at all would take arenas.. they prolly will lock him up cause i really dont think too many teams want him.. and lol at the only 5 guys youd trade him for.. gilbert arenas and his ballhogging ways = mediocrity(early exits in playoffs).. then again people can change

[Jordan45822]

It is very risky to trade for this guy because I believe he won't sign an extension and only be a 1 year rent. He detemined to be free agent and test the market.

[VintaGe36]

no teams do those trades.. brand>gil, gil doesnt fit on chicago, memphis is prolly going to build around their young studs, mavs dont even consider.. hes a chemistry killer. only a team who wants a star and has nothing going at all would take arenas.. they prolly will lock him up cause i really dont think too many teams want him.. and lol at the only 5 guys youd trade him for.. gilbert arenas and his ballhogging ways = mediocrity(early exits in playoffs).. then again people can change

I'm usually not one for low blows, but how are the Knicks these days?

Gilbert is a ball hog?

Theres a HUGE difference between being "Shoot First" and being a "ball Hog"


Arenas makes his teammates better, not worst, so I'm perfectly fine with him continuing to "hog" the ball.

DAL would take that deal and RUN. No joke.

Arenas < Kobe,

but not by ALOT, and DAL was ready and willing to give up Howard and Harris for him

Howard and Harris >> Terry and Harris

Its funny you bring up being a ballhog and also undesirable from other teams.

Have you taken a look at your roster?

Give me ONE good reason that can justify your statement that Gilbert is "Chemistry Killer"?

[bringinhinkie]

[quote="VintaGe36"][/quote]

what are you 12 years old? am i the knicks GM? what does the knicks roster or record have to do with what I think about gilbert arenas? hes not a ballhog? are you blind? nice comeback.. respond to my comment about gilbert arenas by saying the knicks suck, your a joke. and no gilbert does not make his teamates better, his style of fastbreak play may inflate their stats, but they do not improve, see LARRY HUGHES.. have a nice day

[bringinhinkie]

and no dallas doesnt touch that deal, post it on their board, not a chance.. you obviously dont know sh*t about team chemistry and devis harris a top defender in the nba

[VintaGe36]

Wait, so are you using the fact that Hughes had a CAREER year with Arenas against him? I misunderstand your logic.

Miller31, a moderator and WAS fan, has stated before, Gilbert is our pace setter, we are SIGNIFICANTLY better when he is on the court.

When I think of Ballhog, I Think of a guy who scores, and thats his main agenda, and if he does so at the expense of team success, so be it. Gilbert may shoot ALOT, but if your calling him a ball hog, than so are

Joe Johnson
Carmelo Anthony
Vince Carter
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant

Ball hogs as well?

They all took a similar amount, or MORE shots than Arenas last year.

Do you see a connection? They are top swingman, top 2 players on their team, AND all recognized as very good talent.

You can call Arenas, a shoot first player, but when you throw around words like "ball hog" and "chucker"(which you didn't use, but is used ALOT to describe Arenas) I'd like things to back it up. I watch Arenas, its plane to see he shoots ALOT, but obviously if it was detrimental to the team, don't you think SOMEONE would have said something about it?

Is Arenas alittle out there? Sure
Is he sometimes selfish? Sure
Does he often let his agenda get ahead of team success? Occasionally, but its not a constant thing.
IS he a chemistry killer? IMO far from it.

[bringinhinkie]

Wait, so are you using the fact that Hughes had a CAREER year with Arenas against him? I misunderstand your logic.

Miller31, a moderator and WAS fan, has stated before, Gilbert is our pace setter, we are SIGNIFICANTLY better when he is on the court.

When I think of Ballhog, I Think of a guy who scores, and thats his main agenda, and if he does so at the expense of team success, so be it. Gilbert may shoot ALOT, but if your calling him a ball hog, than so are

Joe Johnson
Carmelo Anthony
Vince Carter
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant

Ball hogs as well?

They all took a similar amount, or MORE shots than Arenas last year.

Do you see a connection? They are top swingman, top 2 players on their team, AND all recognized as very good talent.

You can call Arenas, a shoot first player, but when you throw around words like "ball hog" and "chucker"(which you didn't use, but is used ALOT to describe Arenas) I'd like things to back it up. I watch Arenas, its plane to see he shoots ALOT, but obviously if it was detrimental to the team, don't you think SOMEONE would have said something about it?

Is Arenas alittle out there? Sure
Is he sometimes selfish? Sure
Does he often let his agenda get ahead of team success? Occasionally, but its not a constant thing.
IS he a chemistry killer? IMO far from it.

first off, why do i care what a moderator says? just cause hes a realgm mod, doesnt mean he knows what hes talking about (whether he does or not idk just saying in general).. ofcourse the offense flows better with him, its built around him, yet its built for mediocrity..

Last season(since gilberts been out):

Joe Johnson- 47%
Carmelo Anthony-
Vince Carter-45% (i dont like him anymore than gilbert anyway)
Dwayne Wade-49%
Kobe Bryant- 46%
Gilbert- 41%

see the difference? these guys dont jack up 3s 5 feet behind the arc with 20seconds on the clock, hence the muuuch higher %.. i dont understand why you wiz fans are taking my criticism of gilbert personally, im not hating on your team, im stating I FEEL your better off without him, whether you agree with me or not, doesnt mean you say oh well the knicks suck.. no sh*t they suck, i didnt trade for those garbage contracts, i dont like those lazy pos' who dont play d.. ballhog or not, he takes REDICULOUS shots, i mean its unwatchable (yes the knicks are unwatchable too, ill say it before someone else says it as an attempted attack at me..).. kobe couldnt win chucking (and at a much higher and more efficient % that gilbert) and hes muuuch better.. get under the cap, build with guys like caron, n the wiz will be better off

edit: oh and you clearly didnt understand my hughes point.. you said gilbert makes his teamates better, if they truely get better, why does hughes suck now? he clearly wasnt better with gilbert, he just thrived (as everyone else has in his position) in the run n gun offense or w/e the wiz call it..

[WizardsWorld]

Ya Gil is no chemistry killer, thats insulting... hes a great player and a great teammate... a true leader in this game. And yes those 5 players are pretty much the only ones in the league I would deal Gil for... no one else would be worth it to us.

[bringinhinkie]

Ya Gil is no chemistry killer, thats insulting... hes a great player and a great teammate... a true leader in this game. And yes those 5 players are pretty much the only ones in the league I would deal Gil for... no one else would be worth it to us.

im not saying he kills the wizards chemistry, but if he goes to a new team? cmon they have to change their WHOLE offense to revolve it around him, and hes not good enough to carry a team, hes not good enough to carry a team to a championship the way he plays, in fact, no one in the nba could win a ship playing his style.. look at the finals winners.. spurs pistons heat lakers etcetc all had great teamwork, team defense, more than 1 focal point on offense.. you cannot win a ship with 1 player who chucks like that, he is a great talent, prolly is a great teammate, but he plays the wrong way

[VintaGe36]

first off, why do i care what a moderator says? just cause hes a realgm mod, doesnt mean he knows what hes talking about (whether he does or not idk just saying in general)..

I was simply giving you background information on the poster who posted what I read, it really doesn't matter if hes a Moderator.

ofcourse the offense flows better with him, its built around him, yet its built for mediocrity..

Last year, WAS was a top team in the EAST, before Arenas and Butler BOTH got hurt. IMO we could take CLE to a 6/7 game series, and they made it to the NBA finals(and eventually got rocked) So I guess because we can't win a ring its time to just break down and rebuild? faulty Logic at best.

Last season(since gilberts been out):

Joe Johnson- 47%
Carmelo Anthony-
Vince Carter-45% (i dont like him anymore than gilbert anyway)
Dwayne Wade-49%
Kobe Bryant- 46%
Gilbert- 41%

Those are all FG%, a completely USELESS Stat, now that we have eFG% and TS%, which are MUCH better indicators of efficiency.

see the difference? these guys dont jack up 3s 5 feet behind the arc with 20seconds on the clock

Did you watch Kobe Bryant last year?

hence the muuuch higher %..

Again, thats when comparing FG%, go look at their eFG%(a MUCH better indicator, you'll see they are MUCH closer.

doesnt mean you say oh well the knicks suck.. no sh*t they suck

Did you see my green font?

edit: oh and you clearly didnt understand my hughes point.. you said gilbert makes his teamates better, if they truely get better, why does hughes suck now? he clearly wasnt better with gilbert, he just thrived (as everyone else has in his position) in the run n gun offense or w/e the wiz call it..

Im confused, by this as well. By this logic, KG didn't make Wally better because he wasn't as good without him?

Shaq didn't make Wade better because WAde was worse without him?

I think you need to explain this better.

[Blazer77]

In defense of these deals, I think you have to consider the needs of each team involved.

The opinion was stated that Brand is much better than Gil. Well I would disagree. Gil is a 30 point scorer when healthy, he gets you 7 dimes and his size allows him to defend the 2 guard position. So, for a team like the Clippers who are clearly stuck right now, they are getting good value for a player who is returning from injury.

The Mavs deal is one that immediately gives the Mavs a clutch scorer and the cost isn't a huge superstar. For the Wizards they get solid additions to their back court in Harris and Terry. Both of those players are still in their prime. Terry is a PG/SG and they immediately become better defensively in the backcourt.

This is based off of pure speculation that Gil is going to opt out and that DC must get some value in return. Once a player has declared he is leaving his value tends to go down. So sorry Wizard fan, but Kobe for Gil or any other top flight player for Gil just isn't going to happen as a result. So you have to start looking at team needs. The Wizards (though talented) do not have a ton of depth, and the have absolutely no post scoring. The Gasol and Brand deals address the low post scoring and the Chicago and Dallas deals bring depth.

[VintaGe36]

WE KNEW GILBERT WAS OPTING OUT.

Hes doing it for more money, money we can offer him.

How does that change ANYTHING?

[MagicFan3]

no teams do those trades.. brand>gil, gil doesnt fit on chicago, memphis is prolly going to build around their young studs, mavs dont even consider.. hes a chemistry killer. only a team who wants a star and has nothing going at all would take arenas.. they prolly will lock him up cause i really dont think too many teams want him.. and lol at the only 5 guys youd trade him for.. gilbert arenas and his ballhogging ways = mediocrity(early exits in playoffs).. then again people can change

[yungal07]

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Alot of knicks fan hate on Gilbert because he's everything that they wanted Marbury, Crawford, and Francis to be. Unfortunately those 3 are unwanted P.O.S that couldn't hold Gilbert's jock.

[MagicFan3]

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Alot of knicks fan hate on Gilbert because he's everything that they wanted Marbury, Crawford, and Francis to be. Unfortunately those 3 are unwanted P.O.S that couldn't hold Gilbert's jock.

Fair enough, but still... Brand > Arenas? Even for bitterness that's a stretch.

[miller31time]

With Arenas healthy last season, we were the 3rd most efficient offensive team in the NBA and 1st in the Eastern Conference. Call him whatever you want but he's an efficient scorer who spearheads one of the most lethal offenses in the league. Our problem was defense, and apparently, that has been corrected this season with the acquisition of Randy Ayers, more PT from our best defender, Haywood, the absence of Etan Thomas and the emergence of Andray Blatche.

[may191988]

i was just thinking of this cause last night on fox sports radio nick saban (sp?) who is a d.c. guy mentioned are the wiz better w/out gil?? personally i think they are cause offense isnt the problem its defense and gil doesnt do much to help that. so i thought what teams would want him in case of a s&t this summer. i think the 3 best candidates are cleveland, atlanta, and ny.

i just could not foresee any package from cleveland that would be good enough.

atlanta i thought of josh smith but he plays the same position as jamison and i hope he sticks around and also always hard to make blockbuster trades within the division.

so i ultimately saw ny as the best possible trading partner. gil for lee, nate, randolph morris, and balkman.

a trade like that would strengthen depth big time with young talent and also increase defense.