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Post#21 » by JES12 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:02 am

Deveon George is pretty solid IMO. Stack is also slated as a 3, though I see him more as a 2.
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Post#22 » by shrink » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:55 pm

Is Stackhouse better than Reyshawn Terry?

I mean, Gomes is putting up numbers a little better than Stackhouse against the same NBA competition -- not young Euro-league, nba second round prospects. Gomes and Stackhouse play the same numbers of minutes, and have gotten the same number of looks (well, Gomes has 10 more FGA's in 30 games). Gomes also doesn't have the other four guys on the court with him playing better, drawing more defensive coverage, and creating situations where he gets the ball in better situations.

I haven't seen Terry play except a bit in college. But I guess the question I'd ask you is whether Terry is better than Stack?
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Post#23 » by JES12 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:53 am

shrink wrote:Gomes and Stackhouse play the same numbers of minutes, and have gotten the same number of looks (well, Gomes has 10 more FGA's in 30 games). Gomes also doesn't have the other four guys on the court with him playing better, drawing more defensive coverage, and creating situations where he gets the ball in better situations.


So you are telling me that Gomes draws all the attention, opening it wide open for Jefferson, Brewer, Green, etc?

Common now! I wasn't born yesterday. And Stack's numbers are lower because he is not the main guy and dishes to others often.

The question is not is Terry better. The question is not is Stack better. The question is who can we put in the farm system while players with contracts play...and Gomes is not that person because he will be 28 by the time Avery would start playing him.

So the real question is, what other team wants him and willing to give you a better offer?

Edit: And another good question is who do i trust more to produce in the playoffs? (not this regular season opponents you refer to) While Stack does not have my full trust, he certainly has more than R. Terry or Gomes.
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Post#24 » by shrink » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:27 pm

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shrink wrote: Gomes and Stackhouse play the same numbers of minutes, and have gotten the same number of looks (well, Gomes has 10 more FGA's in 30 games). Gomes also doesn't have the other four guys on the court with him playing better, drawing more defensive coverage, and creating situations where he gets the ball in better situations.


So you are telling me that Gomes draws all the attention, opening it wide open for Jefferson, Brewer, Green, etc?


I have to say that this type of argueing .. creating your own words, and sticking them in other people's mouths .., is deceitful.

Offer some explanation how I said "GOMES DRAWS ALL THE ATTENTION?"

How can you honestly say you got that from my quote?
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Post#25 » by shrink » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:44 pm

People that say Gomes has more opportunities on a bad team may have a point, but the stats, and the near identical shot attempts tend to mitigate that argument.

I would argue Stackhouse has an easier chance at getting stats than Gomes.

1. The other four Mavs are better than the other four Wolves. If Gomes makes a good pass, the Wolves have less chance of finishing, and in many cases, the young Wolves have plays that have broken down, and they are out out of position or standing around.

2. The other four Mavs are going to draw more defensive coverage

Dirk demands more defense from the other team than Al Jefferson
Josh Howard demands more defense from the other team than Corey Brewer
Jason Terry demands more defense from the other team Rashad McCants (particularly since these stats reflect games McCants hasn't played).

When your other guys are drawing more double coverage, Stackhouse has less defense on him.

3. The DAL guys are far more likely to get the ball to Stackhouse in good situations than the MIN guys get to Gomes.
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As for "who else has made better offers?" of course we don't know what's going on in the real GM's heads, but on the trade boards, deals for a late first from NOH and MIL have been pretty popular with both fanbases. Those deals both involve moving Jaric (for Bobby Jackson and Gadzuric respectively), so I think the DAL 1st is clearly behind that.

Note that I didn't make this initial offer either, and I would likely decline. We all value players differently, and that's fine, but you might even like Stackhouse more than Gomes, despite Stack's slightly worse stats in an easier situation (and x10 cost). But man, sticking him behind Reyshawn Terry is just rampant homerism about a guy who's proven nothing, even against the Euro's.
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Post#26 » by catalyst » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:03 pm

It must be really slow if a trade of this magnitude is taking up space.




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Post#27 » by JES12 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:06 pm

Thank you Cat....don't want to hear nothing else from other fans trying to convince us that their prospect players are better than our's proven vets because it falls on deaf ears.

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