Which Signing was worse

[mr.ankle]

Signing Eddie Robinson to that Ridiculous signing because he had one good series against the Heat

Or Signing Ben Wallace away from the Pistons

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Eddie Robinson. Not even close.

[Shootdabull]

Erob was worse - at least Ben helped us in the playoffs last year.

[SherronShabazz]

e rob

this wallace bashing is out of hand. the guy helped us win 49 games. he helped us win 6 playoff games.

right now he leads the team in rebounds, steals and blocks. he did last year too!

sure hes overpaid.. we know that. but the signing is not the worst thing to happen to the bulls.

[kyrv]

Next question is, who was a better player, Michael Jordan or Fred Hoiberg.

One signing gave you national exposure and credibility and national TV games and a playoff sweep of the reigning NBA champions.

The other signing...didn't.

[bullzman23]

Wallace. Robinson's contract wasn't nearly as bad and he didn't really hurt us on the court or in the locker room. Wallace played well last season and in the playoffs, but so what? He's killing us this year and is quickly erasing what his impact from last season by making us worse now.

[TOMSPY77]

E-Rob, that was just an insane FA signing based on a few dunks for a horrible Hornets team.

[bullzman23]

Are you guys serious?

You'd rather have Ben Wallace for four years at $60 mill than Robinson for five years at $32 mill?

[Rerisen]

Wallace because his cancer is a malignant one that that has not been limited to him alone like Erob's was. His failure to deliver on the goods and his pouting nature which makes the club fearful to put him in his place, has poisoned the entire team and positive forward momentum and progress the organization had going before he was signed.

If Paxson is not deft with handling Ben's situation, this signing really could damn the team into another dark age and then yet another restart at rebuilding. I really don't know how many of us die hards could live through that again. The Krause debacle years were somewhat mitigated by the afterglow of the dynasty, but this one will have no such laurels to rest on.

[kyrv]

Are you guys serious?

You'd rather have Ben Wallace for four years at $60 mill than Robinson for five years at $32 mill?

Wallace in four years:

year 1: valuable

year 2: not so good

year 3: outlook not good

year 4: valuable expiring

That's two out of four years having some value, as opposed to 1/5 for E-Rob.

Well we are arguing tallest midgets, Wallace to me is a problem now that needs to be addressed.

[SherronShabazz]

Wallace. Robinson's contract wasn't nearly as bad and he didn't really hurt us on the court or in the locker room. Wallace played well last season and in the playoffs, but so what? He's killing us this year and is quickly erasing what his impact from last season by making us worse now.

e rob was sent home WITH PAY. most of his time here he was on the bench in those ugly sweaters. id say thats way worse.

how is he killing us anymore than hinrichs slump? deng and gordons lack of confidence? nocioni being out of control? duhons shooting!!!

wallace aint the only guilty party in this mess.

[emperorjones]

Actually, I know it wasn't a choice but right now I'd have to say Kirk looks like the worst signing. Then Erob, then Ben.

But thats just cuz I got some serious Kirk hate in me right now.

[bullzman23]

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Wallace in four years:

year 1: valuable

year 2: not so good

year 3: outlook not good

year 4: valuable expiring

That's two out of four years having some value, as opposed to 1/5 for E-Rob.

Well we are arguing tallest midgets, Wallace to me is a problem now that needs to be addressed.

I guess youi're right in that respect. I wasn't considering Wallace's value in year four. We never had that chance with Erob since bought him out.

That being said, I never felt that Robinson was cancerous or prevented anyone from developing.He was lazy and part of the 'lazy culture' but he wasn't the reason for it.

[SherronShabazz]

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I guess youi're right in that respect. I wasn't considering Wallace's value in year four. We never had that chance with Erob since bought him out.

That being said, I never felt that Robinson was cancerous or prevented anyone from developing.He was lazy and part of the 'lazy culture' but he wasn't the reason for it.

who has wallace prevented from developing..

hey... is wallaces' contract up at the same time as d wade and lebron???

[bullzman23]

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e rob was sent home WITH PAY. most of his time here he was on the bench in those ugly sweaters. id say thats way worse.

how is he killing us anymore than hinrichs slump? deng and gordons lack of confidence? nocioni being out of control? duhons shooting!!!

wallace aint the only guilty party in this mess.

Yeah, but that has more to do with Paxson and Skiles than with his contract. I mean, if we were patient we could have just kept him on the roster and tried to trade him as an expiring.

Hinrich's slump is hurting us, but I still think he, Deng, and Gordon are all trying. Wallace I'm not sure of. I see him standing a lot. Jumping a little.

Wallace hurts us in:

- His contract is so disgusting that he's virtually untradeable at the moment.

- He may make it hard to keep Gordon or Deng.

- He takes away mins from the young bigs.

[bullzman23]

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who has wallace prevented from developing..

hey... is wallaces' contract up at the same time as d wade and lebron???

Are you kidding me?

[madvillian]

I thought this was between Noc/Wallace?

They both **** suck.

[SherronShabazz]

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Yeah, but that has more to do with Paxson and Skiles than with his contract. I mean, if we were patient we could have just kept him on the roster and tried to trade him as an expiring.

Hinrich's slump is hurting us, but I still think he, Deng, and Gordon are all trying. Wallace I'm not sure of. I see him standing a lot. Jumping a little.

Wallace hurts us in:

- His contract is so disgusting that he's virtually untradeable at the moment.

- He may make it hard to keep Gordon or Deng.

- He takes away mins from the young bigs.

he takes away minutes from young bigs because of the coach. start him, sit him early, let the young kids play. he so happens to have more experience than them too.

all of these things you pin on ben wallace may be valid but none of them are his fault.

i see him not jumping for boards too. do you think it has anything to do with the chipped bones in his foot?

[ice9]

e rob

this wallace bashing is out of hand. the guy helped us win 49 games. he helped us win 6 playoff games.

right now he leads the team in rebounds, steals and blocks. he did last year too!

sure hes overpaid.. we know that. but the signing is not the worst thing to happen to the bulls.

Too much Wallace support in here. He leads those categories because he gets tons of minutes.

reb/48 minutes:
Wallace 13
Thomas 13
Noah 12.9
Gray 12.3
Smith 11.4

s/48
Noah 2.85
Thabo 2.56
Wallace 2.06
Tyrus 1.97

b/48
Tyrus 2.54
Wallace 2.49
Noah 2.44

Wallace's 3 strengths he doesn't even outproduce Tyrus or Noah in. Let alone offense. There was already a topic that showed Wallace is having the worst offensive season for a center in the history of the league.

here's p/48
Noah 17.1
Tyrus 16.9
Wallace 6.5

Hell, Gray gets 10 mpg and averages more points than Wallace. Noah gets 12.6 mpg and averages more points than Wallace. Tyrus gets 16.5 and averages more points than Wallace. Wallace averages 33 mpg.

PER
Wallace 11.95
Tyrus 14.04
Noah 18.27

on/off per 100
Wallace -2.5
Noah +7.9
Tyrus +4.6

defense +/- (smaller better)
Wallace +6
Tyrus -7.6
Noah -6.1

counterpart PER
Wallace 19.6
Tyrus 12.2 at pf, 12.5 at center
Noah 18.1 at pf, 15.8 at center

[SherronShabazz]

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Are you kidding me?

no. kidding you how?