Blazers / Wizards

DeezXXnutZ · Post #1 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:15 pm

Portland Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

Gilbert Arenas
6-4 PG from Arizona

Darius Songaila
6-8 PF from Wake Forrest

Washington Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

08' 1st Round Selection (Unprotected)

Rudy Fernandez
No games yet played in 2007/08

Sergio Rodriguez
6-3 PG from Spain (Foreign)

Martell Webster
6-7 SG from Seattle Prep (HS)

Raef LaFrentz
6-11 PF / C from Kansas

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Wizenheimer · Post #2 » by **Wizenheimer** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:19 pm

the wizards fans are heating up the buckets of tar and gathering feathers...and they're thinking of you

DeezXXnutZ · Post #3 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:27 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:the wizards fans are heating up the buckets of tar and gathering feathers...and they're thinking of you

I can do the deal with Frye or without in the checker..Would that make it enough to get the deal done...

Post #4 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:30 pm

No.

The only reasonable Arenas deal would be Arenas for Roy + LaFrentz.

Post #5 » by **Spykes** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:41 pm

nate33 wrote:The only reasonable Arenas deal would be Arenas for Roy + LaFrentz.

For a healthy Arenas locked into a decent sized contract? Yes, Roy and LaFrentz would be reasonable deal for him.

For a hurt Arenas that won't play a single game this year and has openly said he'll opt out this summer? Roy and LaFrentz is nowhere close to his value right now.

I understand Wizard fans wanting to get all they can for him and having no desire to move him (which is why you guys demand full value even with his current situation), but let's be realistic here. He simply doesn't have that kind of value right now for the Wizards to bring back the likes of Brandon Roy in a trade. No team in their right mind would trade their franchise player for a player who's injured and could leave as a UFA in the summer. It just makes no sense for a team to take that kind of risk.

breaker91 · Post #6 » by **breaker91** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:44 pm

Let's just not go down this road again. Wiz fans have been pretty clear. Arenas would not come to PDX unless one of the big 3 was involved and PDX won't give up any of its big 3. If you want to see how this thread will turn out enjoy going over the two links below.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... highlight=

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DeezXXnutZ · Post #7 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:50 pm

nate33 wrote:No.

The only reasonable Arenas deal would be Arenas for Roy + LaFrentz.

I swear I read an article involving Arenas opting out this summer..To ask for Roy for a guy that likely won't resign with Washington this summer is crazy..I can see you want a lot but I put a lot of youth with very cheap contracts to make you forget about the loss of Arenas..We have other assets that you guys may be interested in (Jack, Frye) instead of Rudy and Sergio but out here there is a lot of hype around this Spanish duo that makes this a lot better deal for the Wiz then you might think..

I also was wondering the extent of Arenas injury right now...Whats his status..?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #8 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:57 pm

obviously Arenas would re-sign with PDX though. He'll re-sign with Washington too if he stays with them, the only reason to opt-out is to make max money instead of 12 million.

Post #9 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:18 pm

Spykes wrote:For a healthy Arenas locked into a decent sized contract? Yes, Roy and LaFrentz would be reasonable deal for him.

For a hurt Arenas that won't play a single game this year and has openly said he'll opt out this summer? Roy and LaFrentz is nowhere close to his value right now.

I understand Wizard fans wanting to get all they can for him and having no desire to move him (which is why you guys demand full value even with his current situation), but let's be realistic here. He simply doesn't have that kind of value right now for the Wizards to bring back the likes of Brandon Roy in a trade. No team in their right mind would trade their franchise player for a player who's injured and could leave as a UFA in the summer. It just makes no sense for a team to take that kind of risk.

We are being realistic. It would make no sense to trade Arenas unless the Wiz get back a player of Roy's caliber. Arenas is almost certainly coming back in March, and there's no reason to believe he won't return next season.

yungal07 · Post #10 » by **yungal07** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:19 pm

Spykes is 100% correct. No need for Portland to trade one of their big 3 for Gilbert who can leave and is coming off an injury.

As for the original trade - LMAO.

crzy · Post #11 » by **crzy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:24 pm

The Wizards won't trade Gilbert Arenas for that garbage package.

WizardsWorld · Post #12 » by **WizardsWorld** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:04 pm

Wizards trade: Gilbert Arenas
Wizards receive: Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Alridge

Blazers trade: Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Alridge
Blazers receive: Gilbert Arenas

What? Dont like that? Well thats how I felt about your original deal.

Village Idiot · Post #13 » by **Village Idiot** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:08 pm

Bad trade for both teams. Portland doesn't need Arenas and Washington needs a star not a bunch of spare change.

Post #14 » by **Spykes** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:We are being realistic. It would make no sense to trade Arenas unless the Wiz get back a player of Roy's caliber. Arenas is almost certainly coming back in March, and there's no reason to believe he won't return next season.

Coming back in March?! Last I heard, he was out for the season and would only attempt to come back if the Wizards make the playoffs.

That said, you are being realisitic expecting that type of return for Arenas right now. As I said in my earlier post, no team is going to risk trading away their star player (be in Roy or any other teams star) for a injured Arenas who'll be a UFA at the end of the season. It's a risk that almost no team would take. A team would have to be 110% positive that Arenas will resign before they even consider such a deal.

Again, as I stated earlier, I understand why Wizard fans want full price for him right now. They have no desire to want to trade him and they don't feel that he is seriously going to leave. With that type of view, the Wizards can demand whatever they want because they don't care if it gets turned down. I get that. However, it's unrealisitic to expect another team to be willing to give up a player of Roy's caliber for Arenas right now.

Post #15 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:02 pm

Spykes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Coming back in March?! Last I heard, he was out for the season and would only attempt to come back if the Wizards make the playoffs.

That said, you are being realisitic expecting that type of return for Arenas right now. As I said in my earlier post, no team is going to risk trading away their star player (be in Roy or any other teams star) for a injured Arenas who'll be a UFA at the end of the season. It's a risk that almost no team would take. A team would have to be 110% positive that Arenas will resign before they even consider such a deal.

Again, as I stated earlier, I understand why Wizard fans want full price for him right now. They have no desire to want to trade him and they don't feel that he is seriously going to leave. With that type of view, the Wizards can demand whatever they want because they don't care if it gets turned down. I get that. However, it's unrealisitic to expect another team to be willing to give up a player of Roy's caliber for Arenas right now.

I don't disagree with any of this. But at the same time, Washington is currently operating under the assumption that Arenas will be back at 95% this March, and he will be at 100% this summer and signed to long-term contract. They're not trading their 26-year-old superstar for mediocre prospects and late picks.

This discussion is pointless. Indeed, any Arenas trade discussion is pointless.

gusyouout · Post #16 » by **gusyouout** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:54 pm

that is a no-no for washington. even though gil is gonna opt out, washington doesn't trade him away for so little. just beucase he's injured and his value has gone down it doesn't mean his value isn't high.

WizarDynasty · Post #17 » by **WizarDynasty** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:05 pm

First off, gil's value doesn't go down because he is guaranteed to be completely health next and if he's completely healthy, he is definitely worth a max contract plain and simple. A healthy Arenas is better than a healthy roy and gil is certainly more valuable than a rashard lewis who is also paid the max.