Golden State & The Jefferson's 5:00pm 1/15

[floppymoose]

Cro is great as long as you don't need your player to jump or move fast.

He's an ok 9th man. If you have to play him as much as we did last night, you're screwed. If that hadn't been the Wolves we would have lost. And I like Cro - he's an extremely smart, skilled, and hard-working player. But as a center he has to hope clearing out his man is going to be enough to get the rebound, because if he has to go up for it, it's all over.

[Sid the Squid]

The #1 goal on the W's pregame chalkboard vs Minnesota, should always be...DO NOT LET AL JEFFERSON GET IN FOUL TROUBLE...We have to make sure he's on the floor for big minutes.

Jefferson got his minutes...Wolves played their worst ball with AJ on the floor...W's win.

[turk3d]

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Curb your enthusiasm bud He's solid for sure, but he's not a defensive player... he's a good 7th/8th man but we'll need an actual inside presence outside of Biedrins to take the Jazz down. Boozer is one of the elite scorer/rebounders in the league.

But I do think Cro is a nice counter to Millsap, and his range would extend Millsap/Okur/Boozer out towards the 3pt line... but then the issue is Kirilenko in the middle.

Okur is the only one in that group that Croshere can play, both Milsap and Boozer are too quick for him.

[Twinkie defense]

Here we go again. POB has one bad minute and he's blo3n his chance. How many bad minutes has Belli had? And yet those same people say give him a chance he's just a rook. I love the double-standard that some people around here have.

Well, I guess I'm "pro-Beli" and "anti-Pat" if it has to come down to that. But I'm also of the opinion that NEITHER of these guys should get much, if any, PT right now, until they prove themselves.

But maybe that's what make's me "anti-POB" to some... just because I think PT should be earned and not handed out on a platter.

Do you realize that up this point Belli has been given more opportunities than O'Bryant?

That's just not true.

[turk3d]

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Well, I guess I'm "pro-Beli" and "anti-Pat" if it has to come down to that. But I'm also of the opinion that NEITHER of these guys should get much, if any, PT right now, until they prove themselves.

But maybe that's what make's me "anti-POB" to some... just because I think PT should be earned and not handed out on a platter.

You remember how it was when you were trying to get your first job, Hester? How it was you needed experience to get work, but needed to work to get experience? It's called a "catch 22". Seems to me like O'Bryant is in a "catch 22" situation. He needs to get on the floor in order to show what he can do, but can't get on the floor because he's too inexperienced.

As for your position, I can respect that (not going to go back and look through your posts on the subject, just going to take your word for it). That quote of mine was directed more at the posters who are very "pro-Belli" and very "anti-O'Bryant". You're in the Nellie camp which says that we shouldn't play rookies or very young players unless they can give you heavy production. I (and some others) believe that there enough minutes in a game to be able to get all (or most of) your roster players into the game, even if it is only for a few minutes. Where you and I would differ is that I would base the minutes they play on their performance, but I would at least look for opportunities to get them in the game and hence, some experience.

Do you realize that up this point Belli has been given more opportunities than O'Bryant?

That's just not true.

Yes it is. Bellie has played more games than O'Bryant thus far and more minutes 146 to 69 which is more than twice as many. Now you say that a player should get the minutes based on how he plays, correct?

OK, in Belli's minutes he has shot 30.4% as compared to POBs 62.5%. In addition, POB has better numbers in just about every other category. Now here's the thing that bothers me the most about it. I'd probably be somewhat ok with it if Belli played a position we are weak in, but it's the exact opposite, POB not only has the better numbers, but he plays the weakest position on our team, and Belli plays the strongest.

[Mylie10]

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Yes it is. Bellie has played more games than O'Bryant thus far and more minutes 146 to 69 which is more than twice as many. Now you say that a player should get the minutes based on how he plays, correct?

OK, in Belli's minutes he has shot 30.4% as compared to POBs 62.5%. In addition, POB has better numbers in just about every other category. Now here's the thing that bothers me the most about it. I'd probably be somewhat ok with it if Belli played a position we are weak in, but it's the exact opposite, POB not only has the better numbers, but he plays the weakest position on our team, and Belli plays the strongest.

Fantastic post

[Chris Porter's Hair]

While I also think POB should have been on the floor more than he has, to play Devil's Advocate, the minute we didn't extend POB, it immediately made more sense to give Bellinelli looks "for the future" than POB. They are correctly held to different standards now, in that POB should only be playing if he will help right now, and Bellinelli should get minutes when possible to see what he can do in the future.

[Twinkie defense]

The Warriors have seen POB on the court for 188 minutes, while Belinelli has seen 146 minutes of action.

If you argue that POB needs to be "developed," that point is moot.

And if you argue that POB is going to add to the win column for the Warriors this season, I have to ask what you're smoking sir.

Similarly it looks like Belinelli will likely not contribute that much this season. So the argument isn't Beli vs. POB - they should probably both be on the bench more often than not, at least right now.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I don't think I'm the sir you were referring to, but at the point where the decision was whether to play MO'Mbryant or Mbenga, I don't think you needed to be smoking anything to decide the answer was Patrick. It isn't clear cut, but it an interesting discussion anyway.