ENOUGH!!! Last Lineup Change for Good. Bench VETS!!!

[cool007]

You know what? After all this negativity and all those BS things going around here, I am really really fed up as a fan.

ENOUGH is **** ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This season is official over for me - Now the only thing I want to see is CHANGES - Happen soon and I mean as soon as TODAY

Bench every **** vet and start the guys that really CAN play.

This is the lineup I want to see for the rest of the way.

Ben Gordon/JamesOn Curry
Thabo Sefolosha/Domitris Nichols
Luol Deng/Andres Nocioni
Tyrus Thomas/Smith/Nocioni
Aaron Gray/Joakim Noah


get rid of Duhon/Hinrich/Griffin/Khryapa/Wallace - I AM Done with these guys.


I would start BG at PG and I don't care if he averages 5+ TO per game - once he gets better - it will only help.

Thabo - we can all see when he knows his role and when he knows when he is going to play and if he can play through his mistakes - he has played well (looking back last year when he started agianst Pistons and Nets and Bulls won nicely against both and Thabo had double double in both games).

Deng - No need to explain.

Tyrus/Noah/Gray - Let's see how good they are when they get consistently 25+ minutes (if not more). I only see them better than the vets - the only thing is that they might turn it over a lot and foul more than vets but overall, they are NET POSITIVE - So I can live with all those other things.

Like I said, we are not going anywhere with the vets, why not use Young guys and see what we have in them.

In short - IT'S EVALUATION TIME!. See who we should keep and who we should let go.

Who is with me?

[kobebull]

Duhon shouldn't see the court again this year and I'm going to be real pissed if I see Wallace starting tonight. Someone should send Pax the film of Ben and Joe Smith laughing their asses off in the 3rd quarter on the bench.

Noah did good by wanting to punch him out.

People laughed at me when I said we were a laughingstock before last nights game. Anyone with me now?

[cool007]

Yeah we are a laughing stock alright!!

Du should not play more than 10 minutes a game if at all. BW - same way - should not be playing more than 10-15mpg - if at all.

I am done with this idiots.

[HeavyC]

I would totally support this lineup. I'd still keep Hinrich around as the 3rd guard in the rotation though. However, I'd like to bring him off the bench.

The Bulls at least need to try Gordon out at PG just to see what would happen.

[bullzman23]

I'm good with that, although I'd argue that Smith has earned the right to stay in the SL.

[girlygirl]

You know what? After all this negativity and all those BS things going around here, I am really really fed up as a fan.

ENOUGH is **** ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :curse:

This season is official over for me - Now the only thing I want to see is CHANGES - Happen soon and I mean as soon as TODAY

Bench every **** vet and start the guys that really CAN play.

This is the lineup I want to see for the rest of the way.

Ben Gordon/JamesOn Curry
Thabo Sefolosha/Domitris Nichols
Luol Deng/Andres Nocioni
Tyrus Thomas/Smith/Nocioni
Aaron Gray/Joakim Noah


get rid of Duhon/Hinrich/Griffin/Khryapa/Wallace - I AM Done with these guys.


I would start BG at PG and I don't care if he averages 5+ TO per game - once he gets better - it will only help.

Thabo - we can all see when he knows his role and when he knows when he is going to play and if he can play through his mistakes - he has played well (looking back last year when he started agianst Pistons and Nets and Bulls won nicely against both and Thabo had double double in both games).

Deng - No need to explain.

Tyrus/Noah/Gray - Let's see how good they are when they get consistently 25+ minutes (if not more). I only see them better than the vets - the only thing is that they might turn it over a lot and foul more than vets but overall, they are NET POSITIVE - So I can live with all those other things.

Like I said, we are not going anywhere with the vets, why not use Young guys and see what we have in them.

In short - IT'S EVALUATION TIME!. See who we should keep and who we should let go.

Who is with me?

Well this idea would certainly allow the Bulls to get a high lottery pick, because you ain't winning games with those guys.

I understand the anger, and I want to develop the young guys, but your suggestion is just a little too far overboard for me.

My rotation has Hinrich, Gordon and Sefolosha in the backcourt (no Duhon, who I think should be traded ASAP). Even if Hinrich and Gordon get their usual 30+ MPG, without Duhon in the way there is still at least 20-25 MPG available for Thabo, who should be more effective alongside either Kirk or BG than he would be alongside C-Doo

Frontcourt should be either Deng, Thomas and Noah. Bring Smith off the bench, along with Nocioni and Gray (NO Wallace). I love Nocioni, and I like Smith but if the team can move one of them in a trade (ideally along with Duhon), then I say go for it. Deng should play 30+ MPG, Thomas and Noah each 20-25 MPG. That's enough time for the young guys to prove what they can do while still giving decent PT to Smith and Nocioni. (As for Wallace, since he's pretty much untradeable, just bench him or send him home (latter's better, as he wouldn't be a locker room distraction) )

That's 9 guys. No Wallace, no Duhon, no Griffin or Khryapa. This way they can develop the 3 main young guys (Thomas, Noah, Sefolosha) and give Gray some PT without sacrificing the team's ability to be more or less competitive. As for Curry and Nichols -- sorry, they have to wait their turn. Let's just concentrate on developing Tyrus, Joakim, Thabo and (to lesser extent) Aaron first, ok?

[bullzman23]

Girlygirl, would you rather we make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seen (and probably lose in the first or second round) or get a high lotto pick? I'm just curious.

[kyrv]

We can't bench the vets, we might lose games.

Also can someone clear this up, are there lotto picks? I have heard of lottery picks, I keep seeing lotto picks written, I always go "huh??", so, I'm clearly missing something (not unusual).

[SherronShabazz]

i was pretty pleased with the 4th quarter lineup in the orlando game.

i think it was

thabo
griffin
viktor
tyrus
noah

i mean.. replace griff and viktor with luol and b gizzle and we are good to go...

gordon
thabo
deng
tyrus
noah

players 2-5 are long and athletic. gordon can score.. thats the team.

[jd901]

tht lineup of gordon, thabo, deng, tyrus, and noah will bring u enery and hustle with a balance of scoring which is what got the bulls to the playoffs the past 3 years all their hustle, only thing is that thabo has to be able to handle point because bg defiently cant

[bullzman23]

We can't bench the vets, we might lose games.

Also can someone clear this up, are there lotto picks? I have heard of lottery picks, I keep seeing lotto picks written, I always go "huh??", so, I'm clearly missing something (not unusual).

Are you talking about my post?

I was trying to say that I'd rather be bad and get a high pick than be mediocre.

[girlygirl]

Girlygirl, would you rather we make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seen (and probably lose in the first or second round) or get a high lotto pick? I'm just curious.

If they can develop the young guys while still making the playoffs, that would be my first choice, because it gives them some needed experience. Besides, if they face Detroit in the 1st round, they seem to match up well with the Pistons for whatever reason, so could shoick the world..I doubt it, but they could.

I am against tanking seasons, because that makes for depressing basketball for one, and two, it does NOT guarantee the team a top lottery pick. It gives you more ping pong balls, but it seems to me the team with the most ping pong balls doesn't get the top pick all that much. I'd have to go back and try to look this up. Thirdly, tanking a season does not really do much to help young guys to develop, since they aren't playing to win games. What good does it do to tank the season and then end up with the #7 or #8 pick in the draft? Whoever is taken in that spot has a very low chance of being a franchise player.

Finally, the Bulls have had a bunch of lottery picks in recent years and none of them have become franchise players (except for Brand, who they foolishly traded). So there is no guarantee that they would take a player who will become a franchise star even if they DO get a high pick. If they stick with the "good character guys", that might scare them away from Beasley and Mayo, both of whom have had off the court problems in the past.

[girlygirl]

tht lineup of gordon, thabo, deng, tyrus, and noah will bring u enery and hustle with a balance of scoring which is what got the bulls to the playoffs the past 3 years all their hustle, only thing is that thabo has to be able to handle point because bg defiently cant

I'm sorry, where's the balance of scoring in this lineup? You have two guys who can score in this lineup...BG and Deng.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

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I'm sorry, where's the balance of scoring in this lineup? You have two guys who can score in this lineup...BG and Deng.

I don't think that is entirely true. While neither Tyrus or Noah are post players - they both can create a little - and given minutes will put up double figures. You can't say that about Wallace.

[HeavyC]

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I don't think that is entirely true. While neither Tyrus or Noah are post players - they both can create a little - and given minutes will put up double figures. You can't say that about Wallace.

Exactly...even if they aren't overall complete players yet, they both are going to put in more points then Wallace. You aren't playing 4 on 5 with either of them in the game like you do with Wallace.

[girlygirl]

Maybe, to an extent (although neither Tyrus nor Noah are locks to give you double digit points until they learn how to finish at the basket better), but you are also replacing Hinrich -- a career 14+ PPG guy (and almost 17 PPG last season), with Sefolosha -- who isn't likely to get you anywhere close to 14 PPG, let alone 17. So wouldn't that balance out whatever more you would get from the Tyrus/Noah combo than you do from Wallace?

To get real balance, you either need to replace Thabo with Hinrich or replace one of TyrusNoah with Smith. That way you would have 3 legit scorers in the lineup rather than just 2. And the energy/hustle would still be there.

[cool007]

Maybe, to an extent (although neither Tyrus nor Noah are locks to give you double digit points until they learn how to finish at the basket better), but you are also replacing Hinrich -- a career 14+ PPG guy (and almost 17 PPG last season), with Sefolosha -- who isn't likely to get you anywhere close to 14 PPG, let alone 17. So wouldn't that balance out whatever more you would get from the Tyrus/Noah combo than you do from Wallace?

To get real balance, you either need to replace Thabo with Hinrich or replace one of TyrusNoah with Smith. That way you would have 3 legit scorers in the lineup rather than just 2. And the energy/hustle would still be there.

You are still trying to get balance???

Thabo can't be any worse than Duhon and Tyrus/Noah can't be any worse than Wallace. Gordon is better than hinrich so I don't know why this lineup would be any worse than what we are using right now?

Matter of fact, this lineup gives us more versatility/better defense and arguably good enough offense as well. Not to mention the energy level might go off the roof.

[HeavyC]

Instead of Gray you could start Noah at Center and just run the hell out of the ball. Maybe we'd lose a ton of games, but we're going to do that anyway. It might as well be entertaining.

[cool007]

Instead of Gray you could start Noah at Center and just run the hell out of the ball. Maybe we'd lose a ton of games, but we're going to do that anyway. It might as well be entertaining.

Actually, I could argue that with that lineup, we would actually win more games than we are winning right now.

[topper09]

You know what? After all this negativity and all those BS things going around here, I am really really fed up as a fan.

ENOUGH is **** ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who is with me?

I was always with this midset. Because I just see things a little differently than most.

I've been callin this for about 2 months now. This team is doomed.

I will go out on a lim to say we'll have one of the 5 worst records in the league. Unless some big changes happen.

I could tell from certain signs from players, momentum, and the way things were developing that this would blow up real soon. I've called for Skiles head. Now I'm calling for Paxson's.

I could GM the Bulls better than that idiot.