Player with most NEGATIVE trade value

[revprodeji]

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Under 7 for a CLEARLY backup combo guard is a lot. He's not efficient running the offense (see Wolves molasses like offense in past years when he was given the job), he's not a particularly good defender, he's not a spark plug off the bench, he's not an offensive player, he's not a spot up shooter...if he was some of these then 7 wouldn't be so bad. And comparing him to Jerome James (as shrink did) and saying he's better than James is like saying Aids is better than the Ebola so it's not so bad.

He could be a very good 6th man for many teams. Being able to play multiple positions. If he was next to a guard that shoots he can be an effective player at the swing spots. He is actually a really good defender at the 2 and 3. He also has had some value as a spot up shooter.

You are saying comments that make me think you just have not seen him play. It is not his fault our offense is not working.

[shrink]

The post I responded to was itself an insult.

How mature. He insulted a team so you insulted him personally.

Does that make you moderator of the second grade then?
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moocow -- My point (which you ignored even when you quoted it) is this:

Would you agree that $60 mil contracts that run three more years are worse than $20 mil contracts that run three more years?

So how come you don't do this when it's Jaric? Is your bias against Jaric so great that you lump deals that cost three times as much in with ones in the $20's?

[bringinhinkie]

Um Highbury, I mean Starbury, oh wait, he died.

STEPHON MARBURY

The guy is a cancer, he doesn't win, he doesn't really get along with his teamates and his contract is huge.

yet hes a 20+ mil expiring next season who can still drop 20+ a game or play pass first pg(but will complain in that role if the team is losing ofcourse).. meaning he has slight value, more than most in this thread

[Pattycakes]

I just realized that "Larry Hughes" rhymes with "Scary News".

Coincidence?

orrrrr...Fairy Jews.

okay nvm. i think you covered the only runaway joke with that one

[bringinhinkie]

My All-Neg Roster

Starers: Hughes, Simmons, Miles, Martin, S. O'neal

Reserves: Crawford, Richardson, Radmanovic, Diaw, Curry

Deep Bench: Banks, Green, Cardinal, Evans, Gadzuric

That team would probably cost about $4 million in salary per win!

crawford 20 5 3 on 42% shooting, not great but hes lighting it up lately and im sure a scrub team like cleveland would take him in a heartbeat(contract- 4years 38 or so mil left)

curry- nets or chi would prolly take him, his contract isnt THAT big, kidd would make him an allstar with ease considering he averaged 20ppg on like 58% shooting on the scrub shootfirst knicks.. like 4 more years at around 39mil

id say rashard lewis is untradeable..

19/5/2.5 44% shooting (near identical numbers to the "untradeable" crawford at like DOUBLE his salary)

07-08: 15.6mil
08-09: 17.2mil
09-10: 18.8mil
10-11: 20.5mil
11-12: 22.1mil
12-13: 23.8mil

imagine the knicks gave him this (through a s&t) wed NEVER hear the end of it

[moocow007]

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He could be a very good 6th man for many teams. Being able to play multiple positions. If he was next to a guard that shoots he can be an effective player at the swing spots. He is actually a really good defender at the 2 and 3. He also has had some value as a spot up shooter.

You are saying comments that make me think you just have not seen him play. It is not his fault our offense is not working.

How could it not be his fault in years past especially in the years where he was the primary ball handler that the offense was slowed to a crawl with no real movement or continuity? Isn't that the role of a PG? And I've seen him enough to realize that he's still overpaid just like many Knicks and many players on many other teams are overpaid.

But as far as 6th man for many teams, here are the '6th men' for the other 29 teams in the NBA right now:

Atlanta - Josh Childress
Boston - James Posey
Charlotte - Nazr Mohammed (who is actually having a bit of a revival in Charlotte)
Chicago - Andres Nocioni
Cleveland - Anderso Varejao
Dallas - Jason Terry
Denver - Linas Kleiza
Detroit - Jason Maxiell
Golden State - Kelena Azubuike
Houston - Bonzi Wells
Indiana - Jeff Foster, Marquis Daniels (take your pick)
LA Clips - Al Thornton
LA Lakers - Jordan Farmar, Vlad Radmanovic, Trevor Ariza, Ronny Turiaf (take your pick)
Memphis - Juan Carlos Navarro, Mike Conley (take your pick)
Miami - Chris Quinn
Milwaukee - Charlie Villanueva
New Jersey - Bostjan Nachbar, Sean Williams, Josh Boone (take your pick)
New Orleans - Bobby Jackson
New York - Nate Robinson, David Lee (take your pick)
Orlando - Mo Evans, Keyon Dooling (take your pick)
Philadelphia - Louis Williams
Phoenix - Leandro Barbosa
Portland - Travis Outlaw
Sacramento - Francisco Garcia
San Antonio - Manu Ginobili
Seattle - Wally Szcerbiak, Nick Collison (take your pick)
Toronto - Jason Kapono, Carlos Delfino (take your pick)
Utah - Paul Milsap, Kyle Korver (take your pick)
Washington - Antonio Daniels, Andray Blatche (take your pick)

On what team would he be the 6th man? New Orleans? Orlando? Chris Quinn has been a sparkplug for the Heat so I doubt Miami. That's about it. Every other team has better (most clearly better) 6th man options.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

My criteria for "negative trade value":

More than 2 years left on the contract. Any contract that has two years or less is at least close enough to be an expiring for there to be value. At a year and a half its close enough to becoming an expiring to gain some value. The longer the contract, the more negative value

Injury Prone. The bigger the injury risk the more negative the value.

Unproductive. Obviously if a guy doesn't produce he fits here. However, I think its very possible to have good stats, but not really be a productive team member *cough*Zach Randolph*cough*

Intangibles. Is the guy a cancer? Is he aging or still young? etc

I'd say most of the guys that have been mentioned here fit the bill. However a lot of these guys who have two and a half years left on their contract like Wallace are close to being off that list because they'll almost be expiring contracts (yay!)

[moocow007]

How mature. Does that make you moderator of the second grade then?
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You know, you really should measure yourself up to what you expect mod standard should be. It's a cheap excuse to essentially say that you have an excuse to be condescending and abrasive because youre not a mod.

moocow -- My point (which you ignored even when you quoted it) is this:

Would you agree that $60 mil contracts that run three more years are worse than $20 mil contracts that run three more years?

If you are comparing Shaq to Jaric, it's actually either $40 million compared to $20 million or $60 million compared to $28 million. And as much as Shaq is a shell of his former self, he is still makes more of an impact than a guy like Jaric, is still more of a draw and an incon than Jaric and is still a greater marketing tool than Jaric. But yes, I do agree that $60 million is worse than $20 million for the same time period, obviously.

So how come you don't do this when it's Jaric? Is your bias against Jaric so great that you lump deals that cost three times as much in with ones in the $20's?

I wasn't aware that a players value was based purely on size of contract. If it was the Jerome James (who has a year and $9 million less than Jaric) wouldn't and shouldn't be considered. What you are asking is really a double standard.

You want me to judge Jaric by not focusing on contract but on what he's done this season (and mind you he's on the worst team in the NBA so the stats he's amasing really is lessened, a common argument against players putting up decent stats on bad teams). And yet you want me to judge other players based on contract and how bad their teams are? I'm not sure that's fair. That's as fair as saying that everyone on the Knicks is a bad contract, that everyone on the Wolves stink because the team stinks. Which is obviously not true.

[turk3d]

Even though I think he's had a pretty decent season and may have "redeemed" himself somewhat, I think Zack Randolph has to go on the list as he is still perceived as "negative" by many when it comes to trades.

Another one who should go on for sure (haven't seen him mentioned by anyone so far) is Antoine Walker.

[shrink]

You know, you really should measure yourself up to what you expect mod standard should be. It's a cheap excuse to essentially say that you have an excuse to be condescending and abrasive because youre not a mod.

Take some responsibility for your own choices, instead of trying to pass the buck.

He insulted a team, so you insulted him.

You want to rip me for calling you on it? Fine.

[moocow007]

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Take some responsibility for your own choices, instead of trying to pass the buck.

He insulted a team, so you insulted him.

You want to rip me for calling you on it? Fine.

Stop trying to play the victim. You are among the more abrasive posters on this board (though I will give it to you that you've toned down from a year or so ago). It's been that way for some time and we go way back. No one is calling you out. My intent on mentioning Jaric whenever the discussion on overpaid players is because he is IMHO one of the most memorable overpaid players. And it's not because I think you like him, it's because I'm a Kevin Garnett fan and again IMHO he was the big reason for making the Wolves and KG a miserable to watch team. And in some way I've always had a really negative opinion of him. As far as is he really, really one of the worst contracts? Maybe, maybe not. But as much as everyone else is allowed an opinion, I am too. And IMHO Jaric is a waste of a contract regardless of how he's doing this season.

[shrink]

Stop trying to play the victim. You are among the more abrasive posters on this board (though I will give it to you that you've toned down from a year or so ago). It's been that way for some time and we go way back.

nice.

[JES12]

[DanTown8587]

Ben Wallace, Erik Dampier, Speedy Claxton, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Larry Hughes, Shaquille O'Neal, Bobby Simmons, Boris Diaw, Zach Randolph, Kenny Thomas.

[moocow007]

(picture)

Butt out.

shrink and I used to have even bigger infernos back a ways...this is tame...believe me.

[JES12]

Butt out.

shrink and I used to have even bigger infernos back a ways...this is tame...believe me.

Yes Sir! Should quit a long time ago!

[ITK9]

ben wallace

[yungal07]

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Did you come up with that all by yourself or did you get help?

Well, he's not wrong. I'd say most of the Knicks roster is comprised of unwanted over players.

James
Jeffries
Randolph
Marbury
Richardson
Curry
Rose

are all pretty unwanted players. I wouldn't say negative value (except for James, Jeffries, and Randolph) but no value.

[bullzman23]

I agree that Jaric is good enough. The Wolves have been terrible, and it has little to do with him.

He averages 9 points and 4 assists. He's a good ball-handler and a solid passer.

Obviously overpaid, but his contract isn't big enough to get him on this list. Not even close.

[shrink]

Bill Simmons List:

25. Quentin Richardson: 3 years, $26.3m
24. Sam Dalembert: 4 years, $43.8m
23. Nene: 5 years, $51m
22. Raef LaFrentz: 2 years, $24.5m
21. Boris Diaw: 5 years, $45m
20. Brian Cardinal: 3 years, $18.9m
19. Marcus Banks: 4 years, $17.2m
18. Jerome James: 3 years, $18.6m
17. Shaquille O'Neal: 3 years, $60m
16. Zack Randolph: 4 years, $63.3m
15. Etan Thomas: 3 years, 20.6m
14. Mark Blount: 3 years, $22m
13. Shareef Abdur-Rahim: 3 years, $18.6m
12. Kenny Thomas: 3 years, $23.9m
11. Jared Jeffries: 4 years, $24m
10. Nazr Mohammed: 4 years, $25m
9. Dan Gadzuric: 4 years, $26m
8. Bobby Simmons: 3 years, $29.8m
7. Ben Wallace: 3 years, $44m
6. Darius Miles: 3 years, $26.3m
5. Stephon Marbury: 2 years, $42m
4. Erick Dampier: 4 years, $41.5m
3. Troy Murphy: 4 years, $42.4m
2. Larry Hughes: 3 years, $38.5
1. Kenyon Martin: 4 years, $59m