I Love The RealGM Bulls Board But...

[bigjad66]

...Does anyone else get completly tired of when (insert player here) has a good game, everyone on the board is on the bandwagon. However as soon as they get into a slump, its "oh my god, the sky is falling"! As a avid supporter of Chicago sports and not just the Bulls, this same dynamic seems evident all around town. The ebb and flow of emotions around here is amazing. I think that we need to have some patience when dealing with all of our teams. Thabo is just the newest example. The same people who were bashing him no more than a week ago are now singing his praises. Has it dawned on anyone that Thabo is a player second and a person first. Yeah, the confidence of a player on the nba level should effect their play but you have to remember all the changes he is dealing with. To some extent, with international players, you have to give them ATLEAST three years before we begin to evaluate them as being a solid player or not. That is why I'm glad that you reading this nor I typing this, are the GM of the Chicago Bulls. Most of us just dont have the patience to wait out the slump or wait till a players value gets better. That is the main reason that there haven't been any trades yet, because you never sell low. We will make some moves this year but if it was up to some of you we would have a new roster everygame. Thabo will one day be a serviceable guard/forward in the league and hopefully it is for the our beloved Bulls. But mark my words, Thabo will get his opportunities and will falter again. No sooner than that happens, he will rise from the ashes again...straight to his crucifix lol. As my signature stated during the "3C" era and as it will again say now, Patience Is The Key. OK, I feel better now! Real GM is an obsession for me and I cant live with out it or our community. I think that this deserves its own thread and maybe everyone eles can join in and vent like I just did.

[Kakali]

Great post!
It seems we go from hatin' to lovin' awfully fast around here.
Example: Tyrus Thomas plays 7 minutes and does nothing with it 70% of the posters want to kick Paxson in Reggie Evan's favourite spot for trading Alridge for TT, the next day Tyrus Thomas plays 20 minutes recording 17 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks and people talk about him like he's Joe Smith or something.
We're so impatient and our opinions on players change in every five minutes or so.
If most of the fans (sure there are logical ones) would be GM's og coaches we'd be going crazy every other day trying to send half the team away.
I guess we'd be Larry Brown.

[NLK]

Well said.

However, to counter the Thabo argument a little: The guy was playing pro-ball overseas as previously. Has participated in the summer leagues (here and abroad back home). He's not technically wet behind the ears. And its not that we all are low on Thabo, its him not taking advantage of his playing time. He made some terrible decisions with the ball for most of this season (i.e. telegraphing a pass to Jason Kidd in the 1st game). We all wonder like "WTF" pass or shot is that by T.S., or why can't he defend. Right now, me personally, I'm glad he showed something last night, but I'm still apathetic. If his improved play helps this team corrects this misguided ship, then I'll probably be singing his praise. I agree with you regarding patience. I think we all could use an attitude of "Show me" (sort of like w./ the bears, where they win one game, and it seemed like they could put two games together but couldn't until the last 2 games of the season).

[SherronShabazz]

AMEN!

[bigjad66]

I completly agree Kakali. I for one would like to state that Thabo and Thomas are keepers for the long run. Especially Thomas. No one on the team and very few in theleague can effect a game the way he can. If that doesn't scream keeper, I dont know what does. He does need development time though and if we give him away we may feel very bad about it in a few seasons.

Maybe someone can start a definitive thread about our players on the team and we can say if we think they will be a bust, nba journeyman, starter, or all star. Then we can look back in a few years and prove who said what. Because I hate when people say that they have backed such and such since the begining and they know that they haven't.

[TB#1]

Love means never having to say you're sorry.

[eNgIeS]

Post of the year for 2008 has just been won IMO

Im glad someone makes a whole thread about this forum issue to show ppl are overreactive at times

dont get me wrong we should be dissapointed in how the season has gone. But the constant mood swings and change of opinion isnt necessary

[bigjad66]

To NLK:

Yeah I understand that Thabo isn't wet behind the ears but I still think that there is a huge adjustment to being that far away from home for such a long stint. Let alone, playing against the best players in the world. Maybe im kinda different but in the first three years of a players career I hold the flashes of brilliance higher than the flashes of stupidity. I still remember throwing my remote and breaking it when Thabo made that perfect assist to Kidd lol. The player that Thabo is probably lies somewhere inbetween our extreme expectations of star or bum. If Thabo can give this team 12 pts/4 rbds/3 ast/ 1 stl a game with good defense, he would be a quantified success. Given his size will allow him to be paired with Gordon (or Kirk) for longer streches. If Thabo comes through, he solves a huge problem with this team and makes it so much stronger.

[bigjad66]

Post of the year for 2008 has just been won IMO

I would give an acceptance speech but the writers are still on strike. But thank you.

[musiqsoulchild]

I understand the OP's sentiments, but I think a little archival searching could have helped.

A lot of people who are praising Thabo were also the ones who had his back when he was playing crappy.

I know I did for sure.

Again, I know that you are speaking about the general majority of peeps here, but hey such is the nature of being a fan.

Whatever little you get to celebrate ....you do. Irrespective of what you beleived formerly, or what your biases are.

[dougthonus]

<-- Still thinks Thabo sucks as a guard and needs to play SF.

[dougthonus]

I'd also point out that frequently, you don't have people changing their opinion. You have 2 groups of people on every player (those who love them and those who don't). When the player does well those who love them post a lot, and when he doesn't the other group chimes in. It gives the impression of a giant flip flop when often it's just different people posting.

That's not always the case of course, sometimes there is a lot of flip fopping.

[Rerisen]

People are reactive yes, but if you look close there are more long term perspectives out there as well. I think many have been down on Thabo and justifiably so, but just the same, they have realized he has not got a real fair chance this year. And some have been championing more minutes for him even before Kirk went down and he got a chance to start here the last 2 games. Not so much because we thought he would be so awesome, but more because Duhon was playing awful like usual when he starts.

The bar is set pretty low here for the other guard that is going to start opposite Kirk (and is not named Ben Gordon). If Duhon was putting up 10 and 7 assists every night on decent shooting, I think the excitement over Thabo would be a lot less. But you take what you can get this year with the Bulls.

[coldfish]

If you watch, individual people rarely and slowly change their opinions on individual players. For the most part, the same people hate Ben Wallace that always have, the same people complain about Gordon and vice versa.

The issue is that after a game where player X plays good, his supporters point it out. After when he plays bad, his detractors are more active.

That gives the impression that people bounce up and down on the players, which isn't really the case.

....

If this is specifically about Thabo, he is kind of a unique case. His PER for most of this season and all of last year was in the complete bust category. For the last few games, his overall productivity is 2 or 3 times what it was and the difference is shocking. That type of improvement is extremely rare.

Can he maintain it? Don't know, but so far its encouraging.

[DuckIII]

I'd also point out that frequently, you don't have people changing their opinion. You have 2 groups of people on every player (those who love them and those who don't). When the player does well those who love them post a lot, and when he doesn't the other group chimes in. It gives the impression of a giant flip flop when often it's just different people posting.

That's not always the case of course, sometimes there is a lot of flip fopping.

+1

-1 for saying Thabo would "suck" as a guard.

[Sonny_D1]

I'd also point out that frequently, you don't have people changing their opinion. You have 2 groups of people on every player (those who love them and those who don't). When the player does well those who love them post a lot, and when he doesn't the other group chimes in. It gives the impression of a giant flip flop when often it's just different people posting.

You're absolutely correct.

And it's a direct result of there being so many Bulls fans that are members on this board, so it gives the illusion that there is a ton of flip flopping, when in realty there's only some.

For example, I tend to peruse the Memphis board now and then, and it feels like I can recognize just about everyone that posts on that board, and that's by visiting it one every 10 days or so. Here it's completely different.

As for myself, I've always maintained we need to play the youngsters, and nothing will convince me otherwise. I just don't understand how people can give up on players so quickly, especially ones that haven't been given an ample opportunity. I mean really, the untapped potential doesn't intrigue some of you?

I guess I realate it to my own experience in the business world. If I see someone with any inkling, I mean even the slightest suggestion that he/she has some sort of talent behind them, I'm doing everything I can to tap that potential. And believe me I'm glad I did, because they're some of the most loyal and best people I have today.

Just my .02.

[DuckIII]

I guess I realate it to my own experience in the business world. If I see someone with any inkling, I mean even the slightest suggestion that he/she has some sort of talent behind them, I'm doing everything I can to tap that

If you ever need a civil defense attorney, send me a PM.

[Sonny_D1]

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If you ever need a civil defense attorney, send me a PM.

Yeah, I just threw that out there for someone to latch on to.

Figures a duck would, an attorney duck at that.

[antemiogordon]

I'd also point out that frequently, you don't have people changing their opinion. You have 2 groups of people on every player (those who love them and those who don't). When the player does well those who love them post a lot, and when he doesn't the other group chimes in. It gives the impression of a giant flip flop when often it's just different people posting. That's not always the case of course, sometimes there is a lot of flip fopping.

Let me complete the landscape:

1. Reall Bulls' fan and circunstacial fans (ones who loves and support a player).

2. Trade machines' lovers

3. Those who understand about Bball and those who love to complain about the rest (like me!!!).

4. Those who believe that Bulls' destiny is to be champ and those that believes that a team demands a little time .

[coldfish]

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+1

-1 for saying Thabo would "suck" as a guard.

I am very happy with Thabo's play right now and I was one of the guys high up on the "Thabo Sucks" bandwagon.

My only reply to this comment is:
Ben Wallace