Bucks Fan: Question about Thabo/Thomas availability

ahagen87 · Post #1 » by **ahagen87** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:26 pm

i am a bucks fan and am wondering what it would take to get Thomas and Tabo from you...and be realistic if all possible and this years first is off limits as to we suck and it will be a loto

Sonny_D1 · Post #2 » by **Sonny_D1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:37 pm

ahagen87 wrote:i am a bucks fan and am wondering what it would take to get Thomas and Tabo from you...and be realistic if all possible and this years first is off limits as to we suck and it will be a loto

This years first.

TB#1 · Post #3 » by **TB#1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:37 pm

I don't know why a lottery pick would be off limits in a trade for a young player who was a high lottery pick.

Since you value the pick so much, I'm guessing Yi, Bogut and Redd are untouchable as well.

Not much else on the Bucks I'd be all that interested in.

DanTown8587 · Post #4 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:39 pm

Bucks-Bulls don't make sense as trading partners since both teams are young, so its young for young and that rarely works in this league.

TB#1 · Post #5 » by **TB#1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:43 pm

Bogut and Redd for Wallace, Thomas, Sefolosha and Griffen works on Trade Checker.

Howz that tickle yer fancee?

hksazn · Post #6 » by **hksazn** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:49 pm

ahagen87 wrote:i am a bucks fan and am wondering what it would take to get Thomas and Tabo from you...and be realistic if all possible and this years first is off limits as to we suck and it will be a loto

bucks would have to give up a core piece or a lotto pick to give up a lottery pick. Thats realistic. If your expecting role/bench players your not being realistic.

Post #7 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:50 pm

ahagen87 wrote:i am a bucks fan and am wondering what it would take to get Thomas and Tabo from you...and be realistic if all possible and this years first is off limits as to we suck and it will be a loto

What do YOU propose? I'm interested in either Yi or Bogut.

Thomas and Thabo for Bogut works under the trade checker, and I'd do it.

Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Noah
Bogut

That makes Deng, Noah and Bogut the core of the team going forward with the oldest one of them being 23 years old. Done and done. I don't love it, but I'd do it.

Dieselbound&Down · Post #8 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:54 pm

Bogut would be a good start. But not enough.

Post #9 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:57 pm

Dieselbound&Down wrote:Bogut would be a good start. But not enough.

I tend to agree. But if I HAD to do it for just Bogut, I would.

The thing is, I look at the rest of their roster and I just don't see who else to include, in such a way that the trade satisfies the CBA, without significantly expending the deal. I guess you could throw in a bench guy like David Noel just to get a "big guard" back in the deal for Thabo.

tyrususi007 · Post #10 » by **tyrususi007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:03 pm

Yi & Bogut for Tyrus, Thabo and V.K. works in the trade checker too.

I would be interested in that.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #11 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:11 pm

I'm up and down on CV. He seems like a supremely talented player who just doesn't care. He strikes me as Tim Thomas/Zach Randolph redux.

He's still on a rookie contract, and can definitely score when he wants to. Seems like a man without a position in Milwaukee, are they looking to move him now that Yi is at the PF?

Sonny_D1 · Post #12 » by **Sonny_D1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:16 pm

DuckIII wrote:What do YOU propose? I'm interested in either Yi or Bogut.

Thomas and Thabo for Bogut works under the trade checker, and I'd do it.

Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Noah
Bogut

That makes Deng, Noah and Bogut the core of the team going forward with the oldest one of them being 23 years old. Done and done. I don't love it, but I'd do it.

Andrew Bogut really isn't that good offensively, don't let his FG% fool ya. He's not the type of player you can feed the ball to and let him go to work. And if we're to make a trade for a low post player, that's precisely what I'd be looking for.

Having said that, I'd much rather have a Noah/TT froncourt than a Bogut/Noah tandem. I wouldn't waste TT's potential bringing in something we pretty much already have. Give Noah the minutes Bogut gets and he'll give us as much, if not more, than Bogut.

Post #13 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:17 pm

tyrususi007 wrote:Yi & Bogut for Tyrus, Thabo and V.K. works in the trade checker too.

I would be interested in that.

Milwaukee wouldn't be.

Post #14 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:20 pm

Sonny_D1 wrote:Andrew Bogut really isn't that good offensively, don't let his FG% fool ya. He's not the type of player you can feed the ball to and let him go to work. And if we're to make a trade for a low post player, that's precisely what I'd be looking for.

Having said that, I'd much rather have a Noah/TT froncourt than a Bogut/Noah tandem. I wouldn't waste TT's potential bringing in something we pretty much already have. Give Noah the minutes Bogut gets and he'll give us as much, if not more, than Bogut.

I can't get on board with that. Bogut's no Gasol, but he can put the biscuit in the basket way better than anyone we have. I think he balances out with Noah much better than Thomas does, plus it would give us a physically imposing front line.

The more I think about this, the more I'm liking trading Thomas and Thabo for Bogut.

Problem for Milwaukee, though: Who plays center?

Post #15 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:22 pm

He probably just wants to stick us with the two Charlie's (Bell and Villanueva) :wavefinger:

A surprising number of Bucks fans have tired of Redd, but that contract is one nasty albatross.

TB#1 · Post #16 » by **TB#1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:33 pm

DuckIII wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I can't get on board with that. Bogut's no Gasol, but he can put the biscuit in the basket way better than anyone we have. I think he balances out with Noah much better than Thomas does, plus it would give us a physically imposing front line.

The more I think about this, the more I'm liking trading Thomas and Thabo for Bogut.

Problem for Milwaukee, though: Who plays center?

The Bucks will be poised to initiate the Jake Voskuhl Era.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #17 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:46 pm

I'd do a CV for TT swap

Not sure how you would feel about that. But you can get some inside scoring from CV, if you can keep him off the perimeter

Sonny_D1 · Post #18 » by **Sonny_D1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:54 pm

DuckIII wrote:I can't get on board with that. Bogut's no Gasol, but he can put the biscuit in the basket way better than anyone we have. I think he balances out with Noah much better than Thomas does, plus it would give us a physically imposing front line.

The more I think about this, the more I'm liking trading Thomas and Thabo for Bogut.

Problem for Milwaukee, though: Who plays center?

Right now, yes. But in a few years you'd be kicking yourself wondering how in the hell did we trade two players, one that hasn't even begun to scratch the surface yet, for a guy we knew exactly what we were getting, which again, isn't all that much offensively.

I wouldn't do it.

Clint Eastwood · Post #19 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:56 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:I'd do a CV for TT swap

Not sure how you would feel about that. But you can get some inside scoring from CV, if you can keep him off the perimeter

ugghh. terrible.

Post #20 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:05 pm

Sonny_D1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Right now, yes. But in a few years you'd be kicking yourself wondering how in the hell did we trade two players, one that hasn't even begun to scratch the surface yet, for a guy we knew exactly what we were getting, which again, isn't all that much offensively.

I wouldn't do it.

He just turned 23 two months ago. He's 6 months younger than Thabo and only 18 months older than Thomas. And the difference between him and Thomas is that while Tyrus might learn to score, we already know that Bogut can.

And I consider it a bit premature to say that just-barely-turned-23 Bogut has hit his offensive ceiling.