Duhon BLOWS - even Worse than Wallace.

cool007 · Post #1 » by **cool007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:22 pm

Just look at it.

You have a starting Center that shoots 33% from the field and is THE WORST FT shooter in the History of the NBA - while he plays 33 minutes per game.

On top of that - you have a Starting PG - who is even worse. :banghead:

Chris Duhon as a Starter:

27mpg 21.7% FG 20.6% 3pt 41.7%ft

The only thing he does solid is a APG - but when you have NO-ONE guarding you, it's easy to pass. His Defense is (IMO) really regressed since he was a rookie. When is the last time Duhon even slowed down anybody - especially this year???

Why is this guy starting??? Why are our coaches really in love with him??? Just because he is a solid pass-first guy (coz he can't shoot) and his asst to TO ratio is good. But there are ton of negatives that really outweighs his couple of positives.

I really really hope something gets done - and SOONER Rather than Later.

I really hope to see this lineup -VERY VERY SOON.

Hinrich
Thabo
Deng
Smith
Noah

Du and Wallace gets buried on the bench - AND THEY DESERVE IT.

SherronShabazz · Post #2 » by **SherronShabazz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:39 pm

man you people are brutal.

while i do cringe when he takes jumpers, at times he is the only guy on the squad going to the basket. it didnt work in miami.. but sometimes he gets and 1's.

his defense while not stellar is still better than ben gordons. he doesnt turn it like ben gordon. thats why he starts.

im all for starting thabo and kirk in the backcourt. i say its a must.

this hatred is over the top though. im not pleased with anyone on the team minus smith and nocioni. they are all inconsistent. we knew duhons limitations when they drafted him. we knew ben wallaces limits when he was signed. none of this is a newsflash. they arent the only guys who are worse than last year though.

Post #3 » by **coldfish** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:53 pm

SherronShabazz wrote:
this hatred is over the top though. im not pleased with anyone on the team minus smith and nocioni. they are all inconsistent. we knew duhons limitations when they drafted him. we knew ben wallaces limits when he was signed. none of this is a newsflash. they arent the only guys who are worse than last year though.

If you go and look at the Ben Wallace offense thread, you will see that his name never appeared on the all time worst lists in the past. He is quantifiably playing significantly worse than he ever did. That is a newsflash.

The same goes for Duhon.

cool007 · Post #4 » by **cool007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:57 pm

SherronShabazz wrote:man you people are brutal.

while i do cringe when he takes jumpers, at times he is the only guy on the squad going to the basket. it didnt work in miami.. but sometimes he gets and 1's.

his defense while not stellar is still better than ben gordons. he doesnt turn it like ben gordon. thats why he starts.

im all for starting thabo and kirk in the backcourt. i say its a must.

this hatred is over the top though. im not pleased with anyone on the team minus smith and nocioni. they are all inconsistent. we knew duhons limitations when they drafted him. we knew ben wallaces limits when he was signed. none of this is a newsflash. they arent the only guys who are worse than last year though.

Okay Coach.

You are just like Skiles/Boylan etc. So you like Du coz he doesn't turn it over much but don't look at all the BAD things that happen while they are on the court??? No one guards him and that is why he takes it to the hole a little more but so what?? How many times does he even finish?? If that was the case, he would be averaging better than 22% from the field.

That's pathetic - anyway you want to spin it.

SherronShabazz · Post #5 » by **SherronShabazz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:01 pm

cool007 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Okay Coach.

You are just like Skiles/Boylan etc. So you like Du coz he doesn't turn it over much but don't look at all the BAD things that happen while they are on the court??? No one guards him and that is why he takes it to the hole a little more but so what?? How many times does he even finish?? If that was the case, he would be averaging better than 22% from the field.

That's pathetic - anyway you want to spin it.

hey... im not a fan. i said yesterday they should start gordon and thabo. but all of this just seems overwhelmingly negative to me. are we the most negative board on realgm??? i mean i know we suck right now but geez..

hes a backup pointguard. thats all he ever will be.

im just saying.. id rather crap on everyone instead of 1-2 guys. they have all underperformed.

MrSparkle · Post #6 » by **MrSparkle** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:09 pm

I think that Duhon is good. If the rest of the players were better scorers, I think he would feed off that energy and hit his open shots. I think that having him run plays with Wallace, a tiny sg partner like Gordon and streaky Hinrich is when he looks as bad as he does sometimes. I also DO NOT like the fact that Skiles and Boylan will play Duhon over Gordon or Sefolosha at times.

I don't think it makes sense to trade Duhon. He's cheap and he's solid. Hinrich and Gordon are my problems. They make (will make in Ben's case) multiple times more money than Duhon, when the team is doing well, are always in all-star talks and how valuable they are... yet they flop when it matters.

Maybe the lack of a post scorer is just it. Maybe not.

cool007 · Post #7 » by **cool007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:15 pm

I have a thread in the general board for other fans opinions on which starting PG and starting C is worse in the NBA.

Right now Du and Wallace have BIG time lead.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=751203

They are the WORST and they are STILL starting.

Thanks to our coaches.

SherronShabazz · Post #8 » by **SherronShabazz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:25 pm

cool007 wrote:I have a thread in the general board for other fans opinions on which starting PG and starting C is worse in the NBA.

Right now Du and Wallace have BIG time lead.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=751203

They are the WORST and they are STILL starting.

Thanks to our coaches.

hahah keep up the good fight. maybe the coaches like other things they do like rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, and defense?

Mr. Tibbs · Post #9 » by **Mr. Tibbs** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:28 pm

du did hit a 3 last game..eh? eh?

cool007 · Post #10 » by **cool007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:42 pm

Mr. Tibbs wrote:du did hit a 3 last game..eh? eh?

He was still 1-7 from the field.

JackFinn · Post #11 » by **JackFinn** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:55 pm

Yeah, Duhon's god-awfulness isn't nearly as hilarious as Wallace's (like when he 'passes' to the basket on a fastbreak fade-away hookshot and it hits the bottom side of the backboard.) Watching Duhon play basketball makes me long to live in a world where Duhon were dead.

topper09 · Post #12 » by **topper09** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:57 pm

cool007 wrote:
I really hope to see this lineup -VERY VERY SOON.

Hinrich
Thabo
Deng
Smith
Noah

Du and Wallace gets buried on the bench - AND THEY DESERVE IT.

I agree 100%. Noah and Thabo should be starting.

ATRAIN53 · Post #13 » by **ATRAIN53** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:58 pm

i concurr and the Bulls 15-22 record seems to back that up.

he's not the answer but a nice option off the bench while the starter gets a rest.

you're not beating many teams when you get 3 PTS from your starting PG. unless they are 8-28.

Post #14 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:59 pm

I think we should let Duhon start just totally smashed. Trying to keep him on the wagon is obviously not working. Maybe he is like a Drunken Master that would play at a whole other level with all that liquid courage in him.

DanTown8587 · Post #15 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:17 pm

How long would a game of PIG take between Ben Wallace and Chris Duhon in an empty gym with the rule every shot is outside the paint? 1 hour? 2 hours?

But in all seriousness, he is a decent bench PG because he doesnt look for his own shot (thank god) and lets more capable people score.

BR0D1E86 · Post #16 » by **BR0D1E86** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:55 pm

SherronShabazz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

hahah keep up the good fight. maybe the coaches like other things they do like rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, and defense?

Ben Wallace is now an average rebounder and a poor defender.

Duhon's defense is ok but worse than his rookie year.

SherronShabazz · Post #17 » by **SherronShabazz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:15 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ben Wallace is now an average rebounder and a poor defender.

Duhon's defense is ok but worse than his rookie year.

i agree somewhat.. but given the roster.. who is better? if an average rebounder leads the team in boards we are in worse trouble than i thought.

BR0D1E86 · Post #18 » by **BR0D1E86** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:30 pm

He leads the team due to force-feeding him minutes. Noah is easily a better option at C and he

Addicted123 · Post #19 » by **Addicted123** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:19 pm

cool007 wrote:I really hope to see this lineup -VERY VERY SOON.

Hinrich
Thabo
Deng
Smith
Noah

Du and Wallace gets buried on the bench - AND THEY DESERVE IT.

Not sure about Thabo, I didn't catch the last game and haven't seen him enough on the court to judge. But Wallace shouldn't get any time at all. And Duhon is better suited as a back-up PG.

I don't agree that Du is worse than Wallace though. Wallace is the worst FA signing in the history of the NBA for the money.

BullSoxChicago'sFinest · Post #20 » by **BullSoxChicago'sFinest** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:00 am

It seems like when he gets extended PT, he's bound to make a few dumb turnovers in a short amount of time, and we know from last year, when he goes bad, when it rains, it pours, and he stays in the funk. The one thing I like though that he's one who's not scared to just go straight to the basket