Ike Diogu for Tyrus Thomas

jeremy1215 · Post #1 » by **jeremy1215** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:28 pm

Would this be a good swap for the Pacers and Bulls? Both would fit better in the other teams system. The Pacers get more athletecism for O'Brien's system, and Diogu would give the Bulls some much needed low post offense.

Post #2 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:30 pm

I'm sure, with the investment that Chicago has made in Tyrus Thomas, that they would need some additional value with Diogu to give up Tyrus.

Sure, Diogu would fit in Chicago very well and could probably help their lack of a low post scoring option, but they've invested a lot in Tyrus Thomas and would probably rather see him succeed in Chicago rather than outside of Chicago.

bullzman23 · Post #3 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:31 pm

Chicago isn't interested. Bucher was talking completely out of his ass yesterday.

jeremy1215 · Post #4 » by **jeremy1215** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:33 pm

Hear me out, everyone knows that all Diogu needs is playing time. He averaged crazy numbers last year per 40 minutes, and his only real fault is height and passing.

bullzman23 · Post #5 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:41 pm

jeremy1215 wrote:Hear me out, everyone knows that all Diogu needs is playing time. He averaged crazy numbers last year per 40 minutes, and his only real fault is height and passing.

Right, but the same thing can be said about Thomas. The Bulls record last season when Thomas played twenty or more minutes was 22-5 (or around there). That's a record that can't be ignored.

Paxson drafted Thomas over Aldridge because he felt that the team needed to get more athletic and that Thomas had the greatest potential in the entire draft. I don't think that's changed.

Chicago's problem isn't Thomas. It's that they've had two coaches that don't play young guys, and that they have a logjam at the PF-C positions (Wallace, Smith, Noce, Thomas, Noah, Gray, Khryapa).

Over the last 10 games, which is basically since Boylan took over, Joe Smith has averaged 17 and 7. Our front-court offense issue has become overrated. It's our guard play that is killing us.

DanTown8587 · Post #6 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:59 pm

2 problems with Diogu: you cant grow taller and its really hard to become a better passer in the NBA.

turk3d · Post #7 » by **turk3d** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:22 pm

Problem for Thomas: With Wallace, Noah and Smith, Nocioni and Deng, there aint much room for him to play. Somebody needs to go. If he's that good, you guys need to make room for him to play. The fact that he's not, basically says you think those other guys are better.

bullzman23 · Post #8 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:29 pm

turk3d wrote:Problem for Thomas: With Wallace, Noah and Smith, Nocioni and Deng, there aint much room for him to play. Somebody needs to go. If he's that good, you guys need to make room for him to play. The fact that he's not, basically says you think those other guys are better.

No it doesn't.

Smith is better.

Wallace isn't and is untradeable.
Noce is a BYC player and difficultto move.
Deng isn't playing PF much if at all anymore, but clearly he's better at the moment.
Noah is playing four less minutes.

Look, Thomas was drafted with the knowledge that he was raw and would take time to develop. I don't know why people are forgetting this. Paxson is extremely high on him, the problem is that Boylan and Skiles think Wallace is God and won't sit his crap ass down.

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:40 pm

no for the bulls

yunggunz · Post #10 » by **yunggunz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:46 pm

jeremy1215 wrote:Hear me out, everyone knows that all Diogu needs is playing time. He averaged crazy numbers last year per 40 minutes, and his only real fault is height and passing.

and his defense and his rebounding.

add in sefalosha/gray for shawne williams to even it out.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #11 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:17 pm

The Bulls wouldn't do this.

I'm really pissed that Diogu isn't getting time on the Pacers though. Start him at PF and Jermaine at C for a little small ball if you ask me. Does anyone remember in the 2 games, when JO and Diogu played on the floor together? They had amazing chemistry, it reminded me of JO and Miller in their prime. They played perfectly together. Also, Diogu has never done anything worthy of getting benched. I really don't like Obie's decision to bench him.

jeremy1215 · Post #12 » by **jeremy1215** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:44 am

So the Pacers would have to add some value to make this work?

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #13 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:51 am

I'm interested in sending JO to Chicago for a Thomas based deal. It would be hard to work out talent/salaries though.

bullzman23 · Post #14 » by **bullzman23** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:13 am

jeremy1215 wrote:So the Pacers would have to add some value to make this work?

I honestly can't see any trade between the Bulls and Pacers with Diogu as the main piece.