Am I the only one that doesnt want Pau?

[Kakali]

Topper of course i'd like him on the team just not for the price i think it would take. I just think it would not be worth it although he has been putting up good numbers lately (prior to that he had been nothing special at all though).

[The ROY]

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You are a Bulls fan.

There's a fine line between being a Bulls fan and being a SILLY ass bulls fan....

[Bullsville]

As for Gasol, I'd like to have him if the price is right- but let's not get carried away with his stats this season.

He is playing for a lousy team that plays at the 7th fastest pace in the league that has the third worst defense in the league. It's not like teams are having to game plan a whole lot to stop him, he can get his 30/10/5 and the Grizz still don't have a chance to win on most nights.

[The Evidence]

How is he going to be a better player than Gasol? Is he going to grow taller?

is this to imply gasol is good because he's tall?

Well we certainly arent talking about trading for Gasol because he's short. His height allows him to be effective in the post.

[Red Larrivee]

Even in one of Pau's worst seasons, he's averaging 19 and 9. If he is indeed available there's no way he won't be a Chicago Bull.

Pau Gasol vs. The Eastern Conference in 2008
19.1 PPG
9.6 RPG
2.9 APG
1.2 BPG
50% FG
37.8 MPG

20 and 10 vs. The East is still good news.

[Jo Jo English]

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Robert Wadlow = GOAT

Someone actually brought up the "Alton Giant"? Now I've seen everything.

EDIT: As far as Gasol goes, I'm in the camp that we should do everything we can to acquire the guy, unless the price is too high. Now what price is "too high" is of course subjective. Call it a gut feeling, but I feel that coming to Chicago would definitely rejuvenate Gasol and we would see some of the best basketball of his career. The fans here would love him after suffering through some of the nonsense that we have been subjected to this season.

[BULLHITTER]

Well we certainly arent talking about trading for Gasol because he's short. His height allows him to be effective in the post.

here's the thing;

gasol's been part of a couple of 50 win teams; regardless of who they lost out to and what round, he hasn't been certifiably enough to help that team get to the second round. taking that into consideration, is the remaining talent on the bulls enough to make them BETTER after his acquisition; i'm not really sure, and the reticence on the part of a great many posters here addresses the same thing.

the gasol supporters don't seem to care about that as much as i do, and i understand their perception, BUT;

since he's had no history of making players around him BETTER (memphis isn't showing much; gay's improved, but their team is floundering.....i don't care about the conference they play in, either), should the onus be on the bulls to get weaker (since one poster stated "sell the farm" LMFAO), sell out to get that all-important "low post guy", cause who knows when another might become available and rebuild/retool what's left?

i'm not so sure. i question whether gasol is a "build around" kind of piece (19 and 9?), because if the bulls give up multiple players (2 core, 1 bench) and a pick, they've earmarked another era.....somehow i'm just not seeing that as a move forward, especially in light of their identity issues, leadership issues, coach issues and contract issues.

a gasol trade must unquestionably favor the bulls, imo to be anything close to worthwhile.

[topper09]

Topper of course i'd like him on the team just not for the price i think it would take. I just think it would not be worth it although he has been putting up good numbers lately (prior to that he had been nothing special at all though).

Not lately.. He's been solid every year since 2001. This is his 7th year, he's 29 years old and he's at the prime of his career.

He's been playing on a bad team all his career in the wild west where there is stud PF all around him, and he's still putting up amazing numbers. if he moves to the East, he instantly one of the top 3 PF in the East for sure. Then, we'd have an all star on our team in Pau, with a sick post up presence to open up all kind of shots for our perimeter players, and Mr. Wallace can finally roam around on defense like he did in his days with Detroit.

Pau is the perfect fit for the Bulls. And the reasons why are endless.

[Bullsville]

^^^Gasol isn't 29 years old, he won't even be 28 until July.

[girlygirl]

Gasol is playing very well so far this month...

PAU GASOL IN JANUARY 2008 (8 games)

23.8 PPG
11.4 RPG
3.1 APG
1.9 BPG
.529 FG%

[Susan]

If getting Gasol means we continue to ride Mr. Wallace for 35 a game you can count me out. After a few months we'll be clamoring for KG because Pau is too soft to pair with Ben. After realizing KG isn't the perfect pairing we'd trade for D12 and complain that he's not a good enough low post scorer to pair with Ben.

This franchise needs to realize that they spent 60 million for a lemon with an afro.

[tclg]

I dont want gasol. I rather keep what we have. His team isnt any better than ours right now

[Magilla_Gorilla]

This franchise needs to realize that they spent 60 million for a lemon with an afro.

Oh christ. Its too late at night for me to laugh that hard...

[Sonny_D1]

I dont want gasol. His team isnt any better than ours right now

That's not a very good reason to not want Gasol.

[Jo Jo English]

I dont want gasol. I rather keep what we have. His team isnt any better than ours right now

To be fair, that isn't really a valid reason to not trade for a guy. If it were, then by that logic, we should be going out of our way to trade for Brian Skinner since he is a member of one of the best teams in the league.

[Jordan45822]

Come back to me on Monday when the Bulls play against him and the Grizzlies. I bet Paxson will be there in the lounge with GM Wallace.

[DanTown8587]

Remember when some of the Bulls fans against the Kobe trade were saying "what has he ever won?" when the trade fell through? Well, now his team has the best record in the West. Its not the team we are trading for, its the player.

[reycat]

A couple of things about Gasol from a Spanish/Grizzlies fan:

- His numbers are a bit low this season because he played injured for the first month and a half or something like that. Since he came back from a 'rest' his stats are in an all-time high (I'm talking about points+rebounds here, his dishes are not so good).

- Gasol's defense is soft. He gets blocks, but he never, ever gets in someone's path. If an opposing player is going for a layup or dunk, he will clear the path and try to block from the side.

- He is not clutch. You should never trust him to take the last shot. Big men are too easily fouled in the last seconds of a game, and since it's not common to get a call when the game is about to end...

- He is not the post player he used to be. He is able to, but he has developed a 10 ft shot and he relies a lot on it. Which is not a bad thing, since he can make that shot with a high %.

[jax98]

When discussing Pau Gasol, let's get one fact straight, shall we?

His stats and impact are down because of his adjusments to the offense. He has come out himself and said he wasn't that productive in an offense where you improvise. He said he feels more comfortable when recieving direct orders of where to be and what to do.

Speculation:

With Rudy Gay developing and Juan Carlos Navarro & Mike Miller on the roster, the Grizzlies really have no direct need for Nocioni, Deng or Gordon unless they move either Mike or Juan. Rudy is a keeper and they will likely build around him.

Memphis will develop Rudy Gay into a 2-guard and give him a tough SF to play alongside with. They showed interest in Nocioni because of it, and likely haven't lost that interest. This means, we in theory could create a package beginning with Nocioni for Juan Carlos Navarro, since he would become expendable.

The Grizzlies combination of 2/3's right now:

SF Rudy Gay/Mike Miller
SG Mike Miller/Juan Carlos Navarro

We assume a part of the Gasol deal would be Nocioni for Navarro, it then looks like this:

SF Andres Nocioni/Mike Miller
SG Rudy Gay/Mike Miller

A 3-player rotation with height, defense and shooting. Nocioni is an upgrade over Juan by giving the Grizzlies rebounding and better defense. Something they lack.

Now, a Nocioni/Navarro swap is in Memphis' favour quite heavily. This carries over to the Gasol discussion. Memphis isn't looking to him as a future leader and would like a youngster to replace him. As much as I hate to say it, Tyrus Thomas could be on their radar. A Gay/Thomas combo could be athletic hell for opponents and the Grizzlies would improve dramatically on the defensive end. We now add Pau Gasol to the discussion.

(So far, Tyrus & Nocioni for Gasol & Navarro)

The deal now is clearly in the Bulls' favour. Throw in Chris Duhon & Viktor Khryapa (Combined $5.17M expiring) along with a 2009 1st rounder unprotected. A deal could now be looking more realistic and more easy to complete with the salaries added in. If necessary, I'd be willing to give them Joe Smith while taking Brian Cardinal and his contract.

Final deal!

Bulls trade:

F Andres Nocioni
F Tyrus Thomas
G Chris Duhon
F Viktor Khryapa
F Joe Smith
2009 1st rounder

Grizzlies trade:

F Pau Gasol
G Juan Carlos Navarro
F Brian Cardinal

Bulls:

C Ben Wallace/Joakim Noah/Aaron Gray
F Pau Gasol/Joakim Noah
F Luol Deng/Thabo Sefolosha
G Juan Carlos Navarro/Ben Gordon
G Kirk Hinrich/Ben Gordon

Grizzlies:

C Darko Milicic/Stromile Swift
F Tyrus Thomas/Joe Smith/Hakim Warrick
F Andres Nocioni/Mike Miller
G Rudy Gay/Mike Miller
G Mike Conley/Kyle Lowry/Chris Duhon

Trade ID #4418526

Bulls buy out Cardinal immediately and runs with a tight 9-man rotation for the 2nd half of the season.

[tclg]

well isnt pau supposed to be a superstar big man arent those guys supposed to help a lot to produce wins. I think its realistic to hold an "allstar" post player accountable for how his team performs. He is supposed to make things easier for everyone. Now the same caant really be said for the other positions on the court because the cant have as much offensive and defensive impact.