Bynum out / C addition talk, MERGED

large1974 · Post #381 » by **large1974** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:57 am

Brake ? Break? Or Bake?

trippy · Post #382 » by **trippy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:58 am

Star you're my hero man.

trippy · Post #383 » by **trippy** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:01 am

What ever happened to Star's Weekly Power Rankings?

Post #384 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:02 am

merge

slickgreek · Post #385 » by **slickgreek** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:47 am

What are the chances of Bynum coming back earlier than 8 weeks? I know that we haven't heard much from Bynum himself, on how he feels, but I am suprise there hasn't been any optimism from any of the Lakers staff....

pdub15 · Post #386 » by **pdub15** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:20 am

Webber would be a great fit for when Bynum comes back and could help us a good deal on O during Bynum's recovery. Howevery we gave up 121 points to the Sonics last night and Nick Collison destroyed our bigs. Stu L pointed out repeatedly how Kwame is a position defender where as Bynum is a shot blocker. Webber is not a good defender either way and really what we need is a shot blocker to help was because playing at .500 for 8 weeks will hurt us big time in playoff positioning. With Bynum being hurt I think the Lakers should sign DJ Mbenga. He can be that big down low on D which we will miss more than anything with Bynum being out. So it is basically do we sign for the 8 week recovery of Bynum or for after his return.

zen_4_10 · Post #387 » by **zen_4_10** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:31 am

TyCobb wrote:Hahaha. That sig is gold Zen.

Touche' good sir!

Lost Angel · Post #388 » by **Lost Angel** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:19 am

lol at this.

star shouldnt get so much hate at least he has his own opinions, even if they suck

Dexmor · Post #389 » by **Dexmor** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:58 pm

Who cares about spelling my god this is sports here.

Webber would give us the best second unit in the league

Webber
Ronny
Ariza
Critt-hopefully he will be playing by then
Farmar

This bench could make the playoffs in the east. Farmar would be a 17 point a game scorer and Ronny and CWebb would be double double guys and Critt and Ariza would both average double figures if they started and were an east team.
Now if they get somebody decent for Kwame then they will just be flat out the best team in years.
Webber gives us a player who can finish. The triangle offense hides alot of weaknesses a player might have. For a player like Kwame who probably shouldn't be in the nba hey it's only an offense not a miracle worker but A guy like Webber and Odom and Luke would really help the scoring backcourt we have and win us games.
I am glad P.J. Brown said no if we get Webber.

Post #390 » by **Slava** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:21 pm

star24 wrote:Who cares about spelling my god this is sports here.

Webber would give us the best second unit in the league

Webber
Ronny
Ariza
Critt-hopefully he will be playing by then
Farmar

This bench could make the playoffs in the east. Farmar would be a 17 point a game scorer and Ronny and CWebb would be double double guys and Critt and Ariza would both average double figures if they started and were an east team.

Damn! WTF!

TylersLakers · Post #391 » by **TylersLakers** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:19 pm

j-far wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Damn! WTF!

lakerfan10770 · Post #392 » by **lakerfan10770** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:32 pm

Chris Webber seems to be the most logical choice to bring in. I remember him being asked about rumors that he would be traded to the Lakers back when he was still with the Kings and he said he would welcome it. The only problem I see is that Dr. Buss may try and position the team to stay under the Luxury tax and signing Webber will complicate that. But there are always ways to get this accomplished...

As of now I have the Lakers with a total Payroll of $68,873,826.

If they sign Chris Webber today he would count about $652,839.

That puts them at $69,526,665

A couple of options to clear the $1,661,665 needed to get under the luxury tax are as follows:

1. Trading Sasha Vujacic to the Warriors or the Sonics. I think that Sasha has proven to be a very reliable player off the bench this year, so to me, moving him should not be something the Lakers should take lightly. On the other hand, there is a very good chance that he could sign elsewhere next season, but still I would prefer that the Lakers keep him and their ability to match an offer sheet this summer. As far as the actual trade, the Warriors and the Sonics are the logical choice because both teams have a TPE large enough to absorb Sasha's contract and still remain under the Luxury Tax threshold. One sidenote, I would think that a 2nd round pick should be returned for Sasha, perhaps even one of the Phoenix 1st round picks if it is Seattle.

2. Trading Kwame Brown for Kurt Thomas would save the Lakers $983,812. Problem is that they would still need to shed an additional $591,765 which still puts them in the same boat. The only reason to do this trade would be because the Lakers feel that Kurt Thomas is a better fit than Kwame, but considering the amount of time it would take to learn the offense and get acclimated to the team, I doubt this is an option that is seriously being considered.

3. Trade Chris Mihm to the Warriors or Sonics. It is basically the same for Mihm as it would be for Sasha. Both the Warriors and Sonics could absorb Chris Mihm with their TPE and remain under the Luxury Tax threshold. The Warriors are said to be in need of a big. I am not sure if Mihm can stay healthy, but when he is right he can be a good player. In this case the Lakers would almost certainly have to include some cash since Chris is undoubtedly not going to opt out of his $2,500,000 option for next season.

My preference would be that the Lakers sign Webber and let the roster stand, but I am sure they are going to make an effort to get under the Luxury Tax, which means that in all likelyhood Sasha is a gonner. Even if they don't sign anybody.

Edit: I miscalculated the amount it would cost to sign Webber, There are 170 days in the NBA season, 79 so far, 91 to go. I used (79/170 X Vet Min) instead of (91/170 X Vet Min).

Mindflayer · Post #393 » by **Mindflayer** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:24 pm

We pay our coach $10 million a year. Buss can afford a $1 million tax hit.

lakerfan10770 · Post #394 » by **lakerfan10770** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:07 pm

Mindflayer wrote:We pay our coach $10 million a year. Buss can afford a $1 million tax hit.

Actually it's closer to $5 million....

Teams with salaries over $67,685,000 will not get the $2.5 million, and in addition will pay one dollar for every dollar they are over. So if, for instance, the Lakers (who are $1.2 million over) could make a trade to lose $1.5 million in salary, they would save $1.5 million in salary and $1.2 million in tax payments, all while qualifying for additional income of $2.5 million. Bottom line: $5.2 million in cash.

Link:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-29-51/Trade-Talk--Ten-Teams-to-Watch.html

Verbal · Post #395 » by **Verbal** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:58 pm

Nice trade idea, U-Borat.

Mark Madsen sounds good, Bynum.
-Does anyone know where Mad Dog is playing now?

Hmm.. Chris Webber wouldn't be a bad pickup either. If he can't hold his own on defense, we can always double his man (better than having bad offense flow on the other end of the court).

Honestly, if Webber can still rebound at a solid level and his that mid range J, he's money, baby. Money.

But then... I have been wrong before.

Ayyo, PJ Brown feels like an excellent option, for the LLE/minimum.

Verbal · Post #396 » by **Verbal** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:25 pm

Ah lovely.

I like that idea, how's Thomas' contract?

Uhmm, don't tell me Kenny Thomas is on the Sonics now. Ouch, I've been gone too long.

Nice sig, btw. Weird, but nice.

Jajwanda · Post #397 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:29 pm

U-Borat wrote:PJ said said he's not coming back haha.

To be honest..we have enough youth. We really don't need another pick this year.
Kwame/lotto protected pick for Thomas/Sonics 2nd rounder.

We move down ~10 spots...and gain a HUGE improvement as a player.
And we resign Thomas next year, because he's a verry good player next to, and backing Bynum.
He can defend, play smart help defence, hit the midrange jumper, rebounds exceptionally well....and he can play PF effectively.

That youth seems to pay off every single year lately. I'd like to keep that pick.

Mindflayer · Post #398 » by **Mindflayer** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:32 pm

lakerfan10770 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Link:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-29-51/Trade-Talk--Ten-Teams-to-Watch.html

If they are already over which is what it says above then its still dollar for dollar. Aren't we talking $1.2 million total if we sign Webber for $560,000 and not $5 million?

Erik Eleven · Post #399 » by **Erik Eleven** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:55 am

Posted the following in another thread but it belongs here:

Personally, I think Webber is done. It'll take him longer than 8-10 weeks to get into game shape and up to tempo. Even then, he's too slow nowadays. He is only good for passing, an average midrange shot and 6 fouls. He'll get burnt in the paint by the slowest guards of the league, he'll foul them and we'll be closer to being in the penalty.

Not to be a downer here, but I don't think he's going to bring what a lot of posters here seem to think. He's not worthless, but he's also no savior. He's too slow/over the hill/dead horse. I'm done with pushing the bad luck we've had with declining veterans