Isiah turns down Ron Artest?

[Ballings7]

I still don't think Ron signing for the MLE is a good possibility. Average at best possibility. Considering it'll probably be the last major contract of his career, and there is more than one way to get significantly more money that. Which is what he'll be looking for first.

I'd honestly be pretty surprised if he settled for the MLE with the Knicks, though we'll have to see what happens before that.

Now for a legit playoff team for the MLE? I can see that. But again, those teams have to want him and have a spot for him. And there isn't many teams relating to those three things out there, until changes with certain teams happen.

artest for zach randolph

Hell no.

[SacTown Kings]

I love how Knick fans believe this and do not realize that Nate and Balkman do not match, so obviously there were other players invovled that the writer left out, just like Ballings said. Artest for Nate and Balkman is not a good deal. But then again I can;t stand Nate and Balkmans alright, but not close to Artest. I also love it how Knicks think they are going to sign Artest to the MLE for 5 years. But whatever makes them feel better. I mean the writers for the NY Post have to write something that makes it sound like the Knicks will improve, even if it isn't true. Their team is so bad and their future is bleak given their payroll and contracts they have gone so far as to live in a delusional world because reality is just too scary for them.

[dozencousins]

i agree ballings i dont see any reason for artest to accept a pay cut and take the midlevel if i.thomas really believes that he is having a wet dream ! lol

artest will look for a starting 1st year of a new contract between 8-12 million yearli i expect around 10- million starting the 1st year thats just a good guess though

one trade i thought might work for us though is the kings trading artest & thomas to the clippers for cassell (expiring) & maggette i know sterling loves artest and i believe this would be a solid deal for us in return even though artest is better than maggette doing a deal like this to get out of k9's contract i think is well worth it !

thoughts

[Sac Fan in Clipper town]

Who plays the three after Artest leaves? Garcia..Salmons? Since we have no power forwards or a rebounding centre, that's a big hole.

[pillwenney]

Who plays the three after Artest leaves? Garcia..Salmons? Since we have no power forwards or a rebounding centre, that's a big hole.

I'd say both are more than capable. But probably Salmons.

[SacTown Kings]

Who plays the three after Artest leaves? Garcia..Salmons? Since we have no power forwards or a rebounding centre, that's a big hole.

Salmons starts, then whoever plays better between him and Garcia finishes, or if we go small they might both be on the floor.

[Hardaway 10]

Isiah turning down a deal for Artest is most likely accurate if it involved taking back long garbage contracts like SAR and/or Kenny Thomas. Isiah is pretty much on thin ice with management, as it's been rumored that James Dolan is souring on Isiah and has been mulling over bringing in a new GM or head coach. Isiah isn't allowed to bring in more money in trades unless it's a significant talent like Kobe after the disaster of the Zach Randolph trade and pretty much all his other trades.

Is it any coincidence that rival GMs are leaking that isiah won't deal? Or rather, Isiah won't take their junk like Kenny Thomas, SAR, Larry Hughes, etc. C'mon. Isiah has made questionable moves and NY has long been the laughingstock of the league as a dumping ground for bad contracts. Those days look to be coming to an end, people. Rival GMs are trying to ratchet up media pressure to get Knicks management to help them out.

As for Artest signing for the MLE, why is that SO ridiculous? Artest is a NYC kid from Queensbridge. His boys and support system is there. He played college ball in NY at St. John's. He was devastated when the Knicks didn't draft him. The guy also has a bit of a screw loose. He doesn't do things logically like everyone else. He knows he'd be the best player on that team, unquestioned. He's always wanted to be the top dog and hasn't had that shot in Indiana(JO) or Sacto(Bibby). Artest just might take less to play in his hometown of NYC. There's too much his hometown can offer him that a big contract elsewhere can't.

[Wolfay]

I think Artest values WINNING a little bit more than anything else. New York isn't much of a winning situation if you ask me, and won't be for a very long time.

[pillwenney]

Isiah turning down a deal for Artest is most likely accurate if it involved taking back long garbage contracts like SAR and/or Kenny Thomas. Isiah is pretty much on thin ice with management, as it's been rumored that James Dolan is souring on Isiah and has been mulling over bringing in a new GM or head coach. Isiah isn't allowed to bring in more money in trades unless it's a significant talent like Kobe after the disaster of the Zach Randolph trade and pretty much all his other trades.

Is it any coincidence that rival GMs are leaking that isiah won't deal? Or rather, Isiah won't take their junk like Kenny Thomas, SAR, Larry Hughes, etc. C'mon. Isiah has made questionable moves and NY has long been the laughingstock of the league as a dumping ground for bad contracts. Those days look to be coming to an end, people. Rival GMs are trying to ratchet up media pressure to get Knicks management to help them out.

As for Artest signing for the MLE, why is that SO ridiculous? Artest is a NYC kid from Queensbridge. His boys and support system is there. He played college ball in NY at St. John's. He was devastated when the Knicks didn't draft him. The guy also has a bit of a screw loose. He doesn't do things logically like everyone else. He knows he'd be the best player on that team, unquestioned. He's always wanted to be the top dog and hasn't had that shot in Indiana(JO) or Sacto(Bibby). Artest just might take less to play in his hometown of NYC. There's too much his hometown can offer him that a big contract elsewhere can't.

He has said that he'll listen to his agent. Even if he hadn't said that, for his talent, he has been underpaid pretty much ever since the end of his rookie contract--very underpaid. To think that he'll just take the MLE when it's his last chance to get a big contract seems like a pretty big stretch IMO--especially when one considers the mess that the Knicks are in right now.

[Smills91]

Petrie has turned down Balkman/Robinson proposals MULTIPLE times over the past year. There's no way this situation was ever at an opportunity to be turned down by Isiah. The post is the equivalent of poop in toilet paper.

[BMiller52]

If this ish was true Eze would've said something.

[SacKingZZZ]

Isiah turning down a deal for Artest is most likely accurate if it involved taking back long garbage contracts like SAR and/or Kenny Thomas. Isiah is pretty much on thin ice with management, as it's been rumored that James Dolan is souring on Isiah and has been mulling over bringing in a new GM or head coach. Isiah isn't allowed to bring in more money in trades unless it's a significant talent like Kobe after the disaster of the Zach Randolph trade and pretty much all his other trades.

Is it any coincidence that rival GMs are leaking that isiah won't deal? Or rather, Isiah won't take their junk like Kenny Thomas, SAR, Larry Hughes, etc. C'mon. Isiah has made questionable moves and NY has long been the laughingstock of the league as a dumping ground for bad contracts. Those days look to be coming to an end, people. Rival GMs are trying to ratchet up media pressure to get Knicks management to help them out.

As for Artest signing for the MLE, why is that SO ridiculous? Artest is a NYC kid from Queensbridge. His boys and support system is there. He played college ball in NY at St. John's. He was devastated when the Knicks didn't draft him. The guy also has a bit of a screw loose. He doesn't do things logically like everyone else. He knows he'd be the best player on that team, unquestioned. He's always wanted to be the top dog and hasn't had that shot in Indiana(JO) or Sacto(Bibby). Artest just might take less to play in his hometown of NYC. There's too much his hometown can offer him that a big contract elsewhere can't.

I think the coincidence lies in the fact that recent reports have come out of both NY and Cleveland, maybe Mimai too, that say they don't want to take on the Kings players they have supposedly been infatuated with for some time because of one issue or another. That would lead me to believe that the teams interested in the Kings assets are trying to stir the Kings up into doing something.

I mean this is like the 3rd or 4th article coming out of the same places that just a few weeks before talked about nothing but acquiring these players. Something very fishy.

And if the Knicks plan was for Artest to come for the MLE, well...that wouldn't surprise me. Especially not from the same place that signed Jerome James to a full MLE deal.

For the Kings the only concern is whether they really want to re-sign Ron long term. I don't think they do and will be shocked and partially angry if he is here past the deadline. Not because I don't like Ron, but because it shows the plan they had supposedly been working towards was a crock of **** and nothing but a complete waste of time.

[pillwenney]

For the Kings the only concern is whether they really want to re-sign Ron long term. I don't think they do and will be shocked and partially angry if he is here past the deadline. Not because I don't like Ron, but because it shows the plan they had supposedly been working towards was a crock of **** and nothing but a complete waste of time.

Except "the plan" is based completely off of what you think we should do, and not what has actually been said.

[SacKingZZZ]

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Except "the plan" is based completely off of what you think we should do, and not what has actually been said.

Hmmm...maybe I was the only one that heard something about REBUILDING. Hmmm....cap space in '09 ring a bell? Uh, yeah. YOUTH? I don't think one really fits with the other, then again, Petrie might be seeing something I am not. Of course I suppose we've heard the exact opposite at times in regards to playoffs, etc. I am just sick of this bi-polar ****! Pick a direction!

Now where my opinion begins. With the emergence of some of the other guys on our team I think we have the opportunity to skate a comfortable line between established players and youth. How many teams can say that if they traded the 2 "best" players on their team they would have two capable and efficient 20 ppg scorers, 1 of which that can play 3 positions, to step into their place?

[Ballings7]

I don't really see who were going to get in 2009... I remember I looked at the FA list a couple months ago, and came away with not seeing anybody as a starter for us.

Then the draft also relates to that, and by then we'll have at least a PG or a PF. Maybe both! Which would be nice.

Bench players? Yeah.

[pillwenney]

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Hmmm...maybe I was the only one that heard something about REBUILDING. Hmmm....cap space in '09 ring a bell? Uh, yeah. YOUTH? I don't think one really fits with the other, then again, Petrie might be seeing something I am not. Of course I suppose we've heard the exact opposite at times in regards to playoffs, etc. I am just sick of this bi-polar ****! Pick a direction!

Now where my opinion begins. With the emergence of some of the other guys on our team I think we have the opportunity to skate a comfortable line between established players and youth. How many teams can say that if they traded the 2 "best" players on their team they would have two capable and efficient 20 ppg scorers, 1 of which that can play 3 positions, to step into their place?

Ron not being traded by the deadline doesn't mean that stuff can't happen. There are S&T's, Ron could be traded after being signed, and Brad, Kenny and SAR can all be cleared off before 09.

And you can't just say "pick a direction" right now, especially since Petrie seems content to kinda stay the course.

And are you referring to Cisco as a 20PPG scorer, because Salmons is a stretch (to say that he definitely is because of a certain stretch of play), but saying that Cisco is, is really pushing it.

[Ballings7]

I don't really see who were going to get in 2009... I remember I looked at the FA list a couple months ago, and came away with not seeing anybody as a starter for us.

Then the draft also relates to that, and by then we'll have at least a PG or a PF. Maybe both! Which would be nice.

Bench players? Yeah.

http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2009/

Who is there who fits as a starter for us?

Other than maybe:

Marvin Williams
Trevor Ariza (assuming he develops a consistent jumpshot)
Baron Davis

I don't see anybody. And with the first two, Artest and Salmons have to not be on the team anymore.

Also have the opt out options, some are already going to do so this summer or can. As well as two drafts, before the FA period.

I don't see Paul, D. Williams, Brand (who could opt out I think, and may well), Marion (he can opt out this summer, and may well) coming to us for various reasons.

[SacKingZZZ]

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Ron not being traded by the deadline doesn't mean that stuff can't happen. There are S&T's, Ron could be traded after being signed, and Brad, Kenny and SAR can all be cleared off before 09.

And you can't just say "pick a direction" right now, especially since Petrie seems content to kinda stay the course.

And are you referring to Cisco as a 20PPG scorer, because Salmons is a stretch (to say that he definitely is because of a certain stretch of play), but saying that Cisco is, is really pushing it.

Teams rarely get anything all that good in sign and trades. We could get some nice value now, I'd hate to settle for 30 cents on the dollar. After Ron is signed I believe his value goes down significantly and he may become untradable depending on the situation and figures. I think the only way Kenny is moved is if we take less than normal value for Ron or one of our other pieces like Bibby.

What course? That's my point. One day its, "we can make the playoffs!" the next it's "young talent, re-tooling, etc."

I am referring to Salmons as a 20 ppg scorer which he is right around as a main component of the offense in starters minutes. He's around 19 + points and 4 + rebounds. Well... he was at least.

The amount of points he get's isn't at all what I am impressed with however. It's how he gets them. His ball handling skills allow him to get just about anywhere on the court he wants, and he can also make plays for others.