Stein: Randolph to MIL not dead

[EastSideBucksFan]

This is from the Weekend Dime.

Looks like Harris is still lobbying hard to get Randolph here. Kohl isn't convinced yet.

Give us David Lee and I'll be convinced.




But I did start to drool about Renaldo Balkman after reading Hollingers report on here last night.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime ... -080119-20

Although concerns about Zach Randolph's off-court baggage -- and whether there's sufficient room in the Bucks' frontcourt for Randolph and Andrew Bogut -- led the Bucks to reject the Knicks' initial proposal, NBA front-office sources say that the possibility of New York and Milwaukee hooking up on a deal has not been completely extinguished.

The Knicks were apparently willing to take on three players who don't start (Charlie Villanueva, Bobby Simmons and Dan Gadzuric) and two of whom haven't lived up to their contracts (Simmons and Gadzuric) just for the right to shed Randolph after Isiah Thomas' failed experiment of pairing him with Eddy Curry. At least one more Knick would have to be included to make the salary-cap math work in the event there is a revival here; Renaldo Balkman, Nate Robinson and Wilson Chandler have all been mentioned.

The whole concept certainly strikes us as a worthy gamble for the Bucks, no matter what potential warts or pitfalls are presented by the prospect of acquiring Randolph. Similar concerns about the addition of Ruben Patterson last season proved unfounded and the Bucks' abundance of perimeter specialists (Michael Redd, Yi Jianlian, Mo Williams) would theoretically mesh well with Randolph's game. There would still be questions about Randolph and Bogut co-existing, true, but the limited contributions Milwaukee is getting from the three outgoing players and Randolph's standing as a proven 20/10 guy would seemingly offset any risk factors.

That said

[Ruben Douglas]

Why in the world would the Bucks NOT do this deal? I understand that Randolph can be a headache, but this team sucks as is. The only reason I can think they wouldn't want to do it, basketball wise, is that Bogut has finally started to step it up. You take on Randolph's huge contract, but you may actually get production and you get rid of 3 terrible contracts. I'm sold. Sign on the dotted line. Get ZR in.

[LockDownD]

Just say no to Drugs and this deal.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Last year Curry averaged 19/7, the best of his career.


In comes Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry is back to 14/5


At this point I think the only way I do it, is if they give us David Lee.

Or if we removed CV from the deal and they still give us Balkman. That could be enough to sway me.

Then we could move CV in a seperate deal.

[BucksRuleAll22]

Im not gonna lie at first I was like this better not happen, but after looking into it more, and knowing it is Gaza, Simmons and CV I am praying the BUcks make this trade.

Only a fool would not make this trade, and if we can get Balkman that makes it that much better. This better happen, so glade to see its not dead. Bucks got to pay Simmons and Gaza that money anyway, I rather give a player that accually can play basketball in the NBA the money over some bums that should be watching the NBA from there couch like us.

[blkout]

Zach.
Randolph.
Would.
Take.
Shots.
And.
Possessions.
Away.
From.
Bogut.
Redd.
AND.
Mo.
Why.
Does.
Anyone.
Consider.
This.
A.
Good.
Idea?

[BucksRuleAll22]

Who cares if he takes shots away. It makes the team better. The money shoul dnot be a issue bc the Bucks got to pay Simmons and Gaza that money no matter what unless they trade them, and nobody in the NBA would trade for them unless they are giving away over paid garbage back.

[MickeyDavis]

He sure made the Knicks better.

[blkout]

Yeah, God knows Eddy Curry has flourished in his presence. Zach Randolph is the black Steve Nash.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Who cares if he takes shots away. It makes the team better. The money shoul dnot be a issue bc the Bucks got to pay Simmons and Gaza that money no matter what unless they trade them, and nobody in the NBA would trade for them unless they are giving away over paid garbage back.

Simmons deal is a year shorter than Zach's. There's 9 million reasons.


Plus the Bucks are exploring trade options that send Simmons and Gadz out while looking for shorter deals or perhaps minor expirings along with other players.

Tyronn Lue and an ATL forward has been mentioned in a multiteam deal.

There are other options out there for Simmons and Gadz.

[Andrew34r]

One positive from all of this is that the Bucks are trying to make a deal. I just hope that if it is a reasonable deal that appears to benefit the Bucks that Herb does not step in. Getting rid of two big contracts would be huge. I have confidence in Harris that he can get something done...I mean he got rid of Keith Van Horn which many people thought was impossible. Even if he just gets rid of Gadz for someone with less years on their contract I would be somewhat satisfied.

Obviously...we all want the Bucks to get better so if there is a deal that does not involve these guys but does involve bringing in a player that may be a better fit than someone on this roster...of course you do it.

[Cold Crush 24]

We need to get rid of CV and I'll tell you why. I was out with the energee dance team celebrating one of their birthday's and in strolls CV with a very attractive lady. If we get rid of him she will be available for us guys (and gals?!?). Trade him. And for the record Scott Williams was there too but his date I dont recall being that hot so he can stay.

[Wrighteous]

Last year Curry averaged 19/7, the best of his career.


In comes Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry is back to 14/5


At this point I think the only way I do it, is if they give us David Lee.

Or if we removed CV from the deal and they still give us Balkman. That could be enough to sway me.

Then we could move CV in a seperate deal.

Your crazy if you think stiffs like CV, Gadzuric and Simmons can net you David Lee.

[okanoho]

i don't really care
although he will take the start over Yi
but i believe in LK and i know he got guts to bench Randolph
ppl in here got love for simmon and CV so LK have to start Simmon and consider starting CV
but we DEFINITELY don't have love for Randolph
if he really become a black hole
benching him anytime doesn't matter too much
after all this is a small market team

P.S. or put Randolph back into D-league ( i think nobody care right? )

[BucksRuleAll22]

He sure made the Knicks better.

And how is Gaza and Simmons making the Bucks better? The Knicks are a lost cause few stars would make them better.

Whats the worst that could happen this team is almost the worst in the NBA, and there not gonna be winning a NBA championship the next few years. If Zach Randolph didn't work out then we could trade him for a few over paid garbage players like Gaza and Simmons at worst.

Only reason I could say you don't do this trade is if the Bucks have been in talks in other deals that involved getting rid of Simmons or Gaza, or if we could get someone like Mickael Pietrus for CV.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Your crazy if you think stiffs like CV, Gadzuric and Simmons can net you David Lee.

Where did I say I thought that package would get us David Lee.


I said David Lee would make swallowing Zach's contract acceptable to me.


I don't think they are moving David Lee for anybody right now

[Nebula1]

This is an awful idea.

[SupremeHustle]

For a guy who doesn't even start on one of the worse teams in the league, David Lee sure does get a lot of love.

Has there ever been a 9/8 guy more heralded?

[EastSideBucksFan]

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And how is Gaza and Simmons making the Bucks better? The Knicks are a lost cause few stars would make them better.

Whats the worst that could happen this team is almost the worst in the NBA, and there not gonna be winning a NBA championship the next few years. If Zach Randolph didn't work out then we could trade him for a few over paid garbage players like Gaza and Simmons at worst.

He has already been traded him for garbage once. Now the Knicks are having trouble moving him for garbage again. Next time, he is unmovable.

Only reason I could say you don't do this trade is if the Bucks have been in talks in other deals that involved getting rid of Simmons or Gaza, or if we could get someone like Mickael Pietrus for CV.

Thats exactly why you don't do the deal. There are other offers out there.

[drew881]

For those of you nutting over David Lee, taking him in a randolph trade would only make our front court rotation EVEN more muddled and complicated.

Balkman would at least add some depth to our sg/sf position (good to take one back, since we would be losing bobby). I haven't seen much of Balkman play. I remember the knicks were blasted for taking him so high, but then he was considered a decent draft pick. I don't think he has done anything this year however, but everything is relative since hes on the knicks. He could be better in another system.

I do this trade...Im sick of seeing Bobby and Gadz sitting on their money. I think the other poster was right in that we could always trade randolph for 2 bad contracts (like we are doing now with bobby/gadz)

We can play a combo of

Bogut/Voskhul
Yi/Randolph
Balkman/Mason
Redd/Bell
Mo/Ivey

Randolph is our offense off the bench, and can be the go to guy with the second unit, and can even play C min for bogut.