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Bosh in January (UPDATED- PAGE 6)

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Post#61 » by seanied » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:07 pm

LLJ wrote:I'm not sure if Bosh "finally" realizes that he can drive to the hoop anytime he wants--I think he's just healthy enough to do it now. Plus, his jumper's working a little better than before, which opens up his drive.

Teams won't give you the drive if you're shooting bricks, no matter how great your first step is. And Bosh's first step always depends on his health, as most players are. Only some players refuse to drive even when healthy. Vince is an example, so is T-Mac these days.

It would be extremely tough for Bosh to constantly drive hard to the hoop 82 games a year and not be utterly exhausted and beat up by April.


So let's say you're the opposing coach. Do you tell you players to get close to CB and take away that 18-footer? Or do you say, encourage him to take that shot, just do not give him an easy drive where (taking foul shots into account) he's shooting the equivalent of 75%?

Bosh doesn't have to constantly drive to the hoop to be effective, but the defense has to consider it a possibility. If he is a threat to drive, someone has to come help. That means a shooter is free. Since we have the best three point shooting team in the league, that causes huge problems for defenses. When he shoots 18-footers, no one has to help his defender. Same applies when he receives the ball and holds it for 2 or 3 seconds before taking a (largely ineffective) shot, passing it back out, or making a drive that is by then covered by two, sometimes three men.
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Post#62 » by Eating a Book » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:08 pm

Supersub made a thread awhile back looking at the average numbers of the best PFs in the game when they play against Detroit, and Bosh was essentially averaging exactly what Duncan, KG and one other player (I can't remember who) were averaging. Yeah, he didn't put up amazing numbers against Detroit, but most frontcourt players seem to struggle against the Pistons.

I'm not going to indict Bosh for that game. Yet.
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Post#63 » by CreaM » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:09 pm

Updated...

Bosh so far in Jan has posted these numbers.
PPG- 28.4
RPG- 9.5
APG- 2.3
SPG- 1.0
BPG- 1.3
FT%- 81.3
FG%- 59.3
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Post#64 » by Nia » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:23 pm

CreaM wrote:Updated...

Bosh so far in Jan has posted these numbers.
PPG- 28.4
RPG- 9.5
APG- 2.3
SPG- 1.0
BPG- 1.3
FT%- 81.3
FG%- 59.3


His 30 points per game is helping him. I can see him at 25+/10 a night, even 30/10.

So far he's been averaging 32.0 points and 10.8 rebounds while shooting 58.2 percent in the last five games.
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Post#65 » by Drunk » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:30 pm

LeBron and Chris's stats from the last five games. Bosh has been on a steady curve of improvement.

LeBron James , CLE p/g32.4 r/g 10.8 a/g 6.6 b/g 1.57
Chris Bosh , TOR p/g 32.0 r/g 10.8 a/g 2.6 b/g 1.1

When you look at Chris's stats' for the month of January he's adding to his numbers.

Chris Bosh , TOR p/g 28.4 r/g 9.5 a/g 2.2

The game against Atlanta was the most dominant I've ever seen a Raptor big play. Chris really seems to have his legs under him again. His play is solid, has has his fade away working. The Dream Shake and Sky Hook last night made me teary eyed. I'm impressed to say the least.

If Bargs can pull it together in this stretch of hot play by Chris it would be great. It may be that a hot Bosh could open up some space of Andrea and help the Kids Confidence. Goodness knows that the kid needs a break. I don't think he's playing up to his potential, but I don't think he's a right-off. He's showing his age, classic pouty teen the world is against me. He's gonna be a beast when he learns to play the Center spot. Maybe Sam should make him practice whith ankle weights?
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Post#66 » by Marlowe » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:11 pm

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I agree it looks like Bosh has improved his back to basket post up moves. The addition of the shake, plus the fadeaway and the mini hook is making him really difficult to cover. He is also looked like he's improved his defensive play as well.

Hopefully he can keep it up for the rest of the season.
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Post#67 » by Reignman » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:14 pm

As Jim Rome said, CB4 is the New Wave Post Player.
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Post#68 » by CreaM » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:10 am

Reignman wrote:As Jim Rome said, CB4 is the New Wave Post Player.

That is actually a really good point.
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Post#69 » by seanied » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:43 am

Scrapdoomfraud wrote:Supersub made a thread awhile back looking at the average numbers of the best PFs in the game when they play against Detroit, and Bosh was essentially averaging exactly what Duncan, KG and one other player (I can't remember who) were averaging. Yeah, he didn't put up amazing numbers against Detroit, but most frontcourt players seem to struggle against the Pistons.

I'm not going to indict Bosh for that game. Yet.


Neither will I. That's kind of my point. The coronation -- be it for Bargnani or Bosh or whoever -- needs more than 4 games. I do kind of get the sense, though, that Rasheed is inside Bosh's head as of right now.
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Post#70 » by CreaM » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:12 am

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Neither will I. That's kind of my point. The coronation -- be it for Bargnani or Bosh or whoever -- needs more than 4 games. I do kind of get the sense, though, that Rasheed is inside Bosh's head as of right now.

And every other big man in the league.
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Post#71 » by Drunk » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:00 am

seanied wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Neither will I. That's kind of my point. The coronation -- be it for Bargnani or Bosh or whoever -- needs more than 4 games. I do kind of get the sense, though, that Rasheed is inside Bosh's head as of right now.


This is an over statement. This thread is just a positive thread about Bosh's play of late which has been stellar!
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Post#72 » by CreaM » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:10 pm

Updated...

Bosh so far in Jan has posted these numbers.
PPG- 28.0
RPG- 9.4
APG- 2.2
SPG- 1.0
BPG- 1.1
FT%- 81.4
FG%- 59.1
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Post#73 » by The Journey Man » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:18 pm

As much I have enjoyed Bosh's dominance over these past few weeks, I am also concerned that the reason he has to take it the next level.

It seems him and Calderon are the only two guys night and night out that carry the burden of scoring and Bosh night and night out is carrying us on defense late in games as well.

He is an awesome talent and a TOP 10 player, however, most players like Garnett and Duncan have help that enables them to not carry the burden on both sides of the ball every game.

I have been impressed with Bosh's efficiency mostly over the last stretch and hopefully continues but guys like Bargs and Parker need to step up on a nightly basis to carry the load on scoring. Hopefully if this happens, we can lower Bosh's minutes to 30 minutes a game and keep in healthy and primed for playoffs.
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Post#74 » by MrBojangelz71 » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:26 pm

CreaM wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


That is actually a really good point.


What was Garnett then? The Old, New Wave Post player?
I know that their games don't mirror each other but the similarities cannot be ignored. KG has been performing the new wave post player duties for the past 10 years which makes the description with the word New, inaccurate.
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Post#75 » by CreaM » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:47 pm

MrBojangelz71 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



What was Garnett then? The Old, New Wave Post player?
I know that their games don't mirror each other but the similarities cannot be ignored. KG has been performing the new wave post player duties for the past 10 years which makes the description with the word New, inaccurate.

I know what you are saying, but that is actually what I think he meant. When he says Bosh is the new wave post player, i dont think he means THE new wave post player, meaning he is the first one, but one of the new wave post players. You are right that Garnett has been doing it since he came into the league and it should not be ignored. The new wave post players include Garnett, Bosh, Boozer(does not get to the line as much as he should), e.t.c.

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