Bargnani/Dalembert Trade

augustine · Post #1 » by **augustine** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:58 pm

Toronto Trades:
Andrea Bargnani
Rasho Nesterovich

Philadelphia Trades:
Samuel Dalembert
(Toronto also receives the rights to swap 1st round draft choices in the 2009 Draft)

Why for Philadelphia:
They get out of Dalembert's hefty contract
They get a Three point shooter, now that Korver is gone
They get to build around a young C with potential
They get cap space early, as Rasho expires at the end of next year

Why for Toronto:
They need to win now, and can't wait on Bargnani
They get the rebounder/blocker they need

Thoughts?

RoxFan08 · Post #2 » by **RoxFan08** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:37 pm

Yikes. I don't like it for Philly. Bargnani is playing like a bust, Rasho is, well, Rasho, and Sammy is the only one of the group who has been even remotely productive.

Edit: Crap, I completely missed the right to swap 1sts part for Philly. That makes this trade much, Much, MUCH worse. Not a snowball's chance in hell with that in there.

kookie_819 · Post #3 » by **kookie_819** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:37 pm

Toronto should do this, mostly for that rights to swap 1sts (meaning a top 10 pick, most likely) in 2009, but Raptors fans like his potential, and think he might turn out to be a good player, so they will say no.

youngcrev · Post #4 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:54 pm

The Sixers laugh at this with the pick swap included. I doubt the Sixers would do it even without that now that Sam seems to finally get it.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #5 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:56 pm

Sixers have adamantly rejected this suggestion over and over again. why do people keep posting it

IggyTheBEaST · Post #6 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:56 pm

(awaiting someone to point out my continueous andre miller to their team proposals)

ecuhus1981 · Post #7 » by **ecuhus1981** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:35 am

Bargnani has very low value right now, for being last year's #1 pick. He's still a young 7-footer with potential, but he can't pull TOR this deal. Honestly, I could see this deal netting maybe Collison, but Dalembert is a bit too rich. Plus, the swapping of picks is ludicrous.

sec-106 · Post #8 » by **sec-106** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:50 am

Didn't watch the game tonight?

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:36 am

no for the sixers

Silk Wilkes · Post #10 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:37 am

Don't swap the picks and both teams probably take it.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #11 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:16 am

No they dont. Not even close. People have to start watchign some basketball so they can realize how beastly daly is this year

Social Lubrication · Post #12 » by **Social Lubrication** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:48 am

I'd rather take the chance that Bargnani is a complete bust than pick up Dalembert's contract. Daly is fun to watch, but his bball iq is painfully low. I seriously doubt a team can contend with him and his big contract.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #13 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:57 am

not anymore its not. daly has upped his iq this season. he is making better decisions. playing better defense. less goal tends, less fouls. overall better. he is no Einstein, but the days of his bball iq being "painfully low" are behind him.

augustine · Post #14 » by **augustine** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:07 pm

I assumed that Philadelphia was in a rebuilding mode, and thus was hoping for young players and cap space. Is this not the plan in Philadelphia?

Post #15 » by **Stanford** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:47 pm

Would love this trade for philly. We're talking about a number one pick in his second season. (which has been filled with the coach hating him and injury concerns) We could actually play him at the position he needs to play, the PF, something that Toronto can't afford to do.

zong · Post #16 » by **zong** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:13 pm

this topic has been beaten to death, honestly, philly and toronto both refuse for the moment

corwin · Post #17 » by **corwin** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:38 pm

augustine wrote:I assumed that Philadelphia was in a rebuilding mode, and thus was hoping for young players and cap space. Is this not the plan in Philadelphia?

Dalembert is 26 & the Sixers have plenty of cap space without trading him.

Post #18 » by **Schad** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:25 pm

Stanford wrote:Would love this trade for philly. We're talking about a number one pick in his second season. (which has been filled with the coach hating him and injury concerns) We could actually play him at the position he needs to play, the PF, something that Toronto can't afford to do.

And not to be a Bargnani apologist (I've been as hard on him as anyone), but being on a team with low expectations would likely do him a world of good. In the second half of last year, he played with a level of confidence that bordered on cockiness. After returning from injury and struggling, he has looked like a beaten man; because Toronto is in a playoff race, the need to win dictates that he be pulled when he makes mistakes, and he looks to be second-guessing absolutely every move he makes.

Not sure if I would make the trade simply because, as a rule, it's a bad idea to trade a player whose value is bottoming out for one whose value is at an all-time high, but I'm definitely more open to it than a couple months ago.

WiltForever · Post #19 » by **WiltForever** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:06 am

wow. whatcha been smokin?

daly's up to 10 rebounds, 2.5 blocks and nearly 12 points per game. he's 26 years old; got his first real coaching last year. he's one of the top 10 centers in the game, probably around 10 and improving. his $10 mil per year contract is looking better every game.

as soon as he learns a little jump hook, he'll be in the 15-18 ppg range.

why would anybody want bargnani or nesterovic?

corwin · Post #20 » by **corwin** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:52 pm

WiltForever wrote:
why would anybody want bargnani or nesterovic?

Nobody wants them. Teams are willing to take a chance on Bargnani if the price is low enough though (he was the #1 pick unfortunately for Toronto). They certainly don't have the value of a starting & improving center.