Micky Arison wanted to keep Posey

[BFO]

Wasn't this same board hating all over Posey about this time last year?

[dflash3]

Wasn't this same board hating all over Posey about this time last year?

No, that was during Posey's first year as a Heat when he wasn't having the defensive impact that had been expected from him as well as his nonexistence on the offensive end.

But, than Posey all of a sudden turned into energy man and became the Heat's SF version of Haslem, and fans began to love him.

Its probably Walker that you're thinking about, since even when Posey was suspended for not meeting weight requirements a lot of people felt it was unfair.

Awww man now I'm missing Posey again

I wanted him to retire as a Heat.

[BFO]

No, there was a far bit of frustration with Posey this time last year; without doubt.

[BFO]

This guy makes no sense. He talks about the fact Heat have to rebuild, but never has talked about either buying out Shaq, or trading him, that to me is the type of mentality that is wrong with the Heat. They don't look ahead, the farthest they seem to see ahead is next year. It seems the Heat is banking in getting a Duncan type of stud, that hardly ever happens, a great player, that is NBA ready from day one. My point is, even if we get a stud, the guy is going to take 2 to 3 years to really get his feet wet, by that time, Shaq is going to be retired, Wade is going to be in another team.

First off, do you really think Riley, Pfund or Arison would openly discuss trading Shaq and then deal with all the drama that entails? Now do me a favour and tell me all about the teams that have planned for the future and then turned all that "potential" into rings. If fact let's go through the last few champions;
Spurs - continue to add mature players who are ready "now".
Miami - traded future for immediate results
Spurs - see above
Pistons - added seasoned vets to an already vet team.
Spurs - see above
Lakers (x3) - traded to get both superstars behind their rings
Based on the above I am happy for our team to continue to look for win-now opportunities.
As for a rookie making an immediate impact? This is going to be a very good draft and you only need to look at the last couple of drafts and you tell me if any of these could contribute and be a decent number three option on a healthy Heat team; Durant, Conley jr, Green, Roy, Gay, M Williams, D Williams, Paul amongst others (None of these guys were the number one pick). The impact could be immediate and at worst maybe one year.
As for Wade leaving? I agree with Lane; Wade, a top pick from this year's draft plus at least one other max player (most likely two) will be more than enough to keep Wade here.

[Harry Heinous]

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You think two and half years from know, when the Heat is the joke of the league, Wade is going to remember his glory days. I doubt it, he is going to remember the three consecuitve years of full blown ineptitude by the Heat. He will take less money on a real team, then his shoe and other contracts will kick in in a bigger market, Wade could make more money outside basketball in a good team, than a joke of a team.

First of all, you convince me more and more that you are not a true heat fan with every post you make.

Second of all, YEA you know Wade will take less money right? Way to ignore everything he has said about signing the shorter extension, just so he can make MORE money.

I forgot you are a prophet, and can predict that the Heat will suck this much every year for now on. Oh and that whichever stud we pick will suck too. Just like all the top 5 picks always suck every year.

Please. Truth is we suck right now, but Wade is not on the outside like you seem to think. He's part of it, he knows it, and whenever he speaks about the team he acknowledges it. He's not a 100% and he's trying to do too much. Every player on the Heat is in some way responsible for the state of the Heat right now.

If we had a 100% Wade right now, we still wouldn't be a great team, but I can assure we would be a hell of a lot better than 8-31. A 100% Wade is that good.

And YES I do think Wade will remember the glory days and be very thankful for it. How many players have had it better than him these last 4 excluding this year. Up until this year, the Heat went to the 2nd round his rookie year, ECF his 2nd year, NBA CHAMPIONSHIP his 3rd year, 1st round his 4th year. You know how many superstars would have begged to have Shaq paired up to them? Not just for on court success, but off the court success too. Shaq played a huge role in bringing Wade tons of attention, and giving him a lot of confidence.

Bottom line is that Wade has had it really good up until now. This is the first year in Wade's career, where his team is not good/great and sucks. But he's not crying about it like you are. He is and will continue being a man about it, and won't quit until things are fixed.

[CoolD]

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You think two and half years from know, when the Heat is the joke of the league, Wade is going to remember his glory days. I doubt it, he is going to remember the three consecuitve years of full blown ineptitude by the Heat. He will take less money on a real team, then his shoe and other contracts will kick in in a bigger market, Wade could make more money outside basketball in a good team, than a joke of a team.

First of all, you convince me more and more that you are not a true heat fan with every post you make.

Second of all, YEA you know Wade will take less money right? Way to ignore everything he has said about signing the shorter extension, just so he can make MORE money.

I forgot you are a prophet, and can predict that the Heat will suck this much every year for now on. Oh and that whichever stud we pick will suck too. Just like all the top 5 picks always suck every year.

Please. Truth is we suck right now, but Wade is not on the outside like you seem to think. He's part of it, he knows it, and whenever he speaks about the team he acknowledges it. He's not a 100% and he's trying to do too much. Every player on the Heat is in some way responsible for the state of the Heat right now.

If we had a 100% Wade right now, we still wouldn't be a great team, but I can assure we would be a hell of a lot better than 8-31. A 100% Wade is that good.

And YES I do think Wade will remember the glory days and be very thankful for it. How many players have had it better than him these last 4 excluding this year. Up until this year, the Heat went to the 2nd round his rookie year, ECF his 2nd year, NBA CHAMPIONSHIP his 3rd year, 1st round his 4th year. You know how many superstars would have begged to have Shaq paired up to them? Not just for on court success, but off the court success too. Shaq played a huge role in bringing Wade tons of attention, and giving him a lot of confidence.

Bottom line is that Wade has had it really good up until now. This is the first year in Wade's career, where his team is not good/great and sucks. But he's not crying about it like you are. He is and will continue being a man about it, and won't quit until things are fixed.

This post is laughable at best.

For one, when Wade made that deal, Wade had no idea how horrible this team will be.(ofcourse we can't tell how bad or good the Heat will be) but considering, Shaq will be milking 20 million, Wade another 14 million, then Blount another 7 million for the next years, a total of 41 million in just three players. Then how do you think the Heat is going get better, besides the draft. Know I hear their is great prospects, but in very rare cases, even the best guys the fastest development is at least one solid year. And that is getting extremelly lucky, watch a guy like Kevin Durant solid scoring numbers but because the guy shots without a conscience, because he doesn't bring much else to the table. And he was supposed to be the next coming of the next great one, with as much as hype as a LeBron . From watching alot of NBA for alot years, the odds are is going to take them a couple years to really get used to the NBA and become real impact players. Only a very rare cases. I go with the odds.

Truth is Wade is close to 100 percent, he is just missing some shots at times, but the truth is even if he was making half of those shots, we sill be getting killed by most teams, because that is how bad this team is, one man can't do it alone. If I remember Wade sitll scored 48 points, and we still lost, this team sucks that bad.


If you think Wade will remember his glory years, then good, I tend to think Wade is more about winning, than about being paid.

He will still get paid very nice in a good team, his other contracts will probably give him nice bonus, especially if he plays in a big market team that wins..

Know we might think Wade is very loyal, and he is. But I simply can't imagine Wade being able to take this for to long.

Know a couple years down the road, even next year things could change for the better, but the Heat have to be able to be smart, and plan right. As of late, we haved looked very inept.


And let me repeat, between Shaq Wade and Blount, the Heat is going to spending around 41 million. Just in three players.

[G.cracker]

Last year at this time, the argument was which SF FA we'd resign, Posey or Kapono. The board was fairly split with Kapono having a slight edge. He was on his best tear of the season, was younger, was the best at his particular skill, and his defense was actually improving. Plus he was cool. Posey had better perimeter D and a solid shot, but we all thought Riley would naturally resign EJ much cheaper.

In the end, I thought a team would come the first night of FA and provide a max MLE offer, I just got the wrong guy. I was certain Posey would get a Raja Bell type deal from a team like SA looking to replace Bowen. When he didn't and it dragged on, I never understood Riley's reluctance. He ultimately offered a garbage deal the same as the C's, but Posey made the right choice and will be able to opt out and get a full MLE this summer, either from the C's or another team.

I still maintain Kapono is overpaid (and for us it essentially was a $11M/year deal with the tax), but who are we to judge. I'd be happy to have Mike James or Skip right now on the deals they left us for and we have Mark "There Will Be" Blount, this generation's Ike Austin (in the bad way). The NBA routinely overpays players and life goes on. I wish we did sign him and Posey, because we'd have a better handle on who we are and we could always trade those guys if needed. We simply got NOTHING back, which is why we HAVE to trade JWill and Ricky.

Riley's biggest problem is hubris - that he feels he can teach anyone defense. He felt this year it would make Ricky and Dorrell the players he needed. He was wrong because defense comes from desire and these guys seem not to have that.

[LEIF]

CoolD-- here is a great article about superstars changing teams by Mike Lupica -
http://www.stopmikelupica.com/2007/12/n ... part_1.php
part 2:
http://www.stopmikelupica.com/2007/05/z ... ntrade.php

are you meaning to tell me you think Wade will think he has a better chance to win in Chicago or New York then in Miami when during that summer of 2010 he could be playing alongside 2 SUPERSTARS BESIDES HIMSELF -- we will have that type of cap room -- its not speculation -- its FACT. he wont have nearly that type of opportunity in any other place.

Wade can be playing with TWO of those guys listed below:
Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Ben Wallace
LeBron James (player option)
Dirk Nowitzki (player option)
Josh Howard (player option)
Marcus Camby
Rip Hamilton
Stephen Jackson
Tracy McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal
Michael Redd (player option )
Tyson Chandler (player option)
Eddy Curry (player option)
Amare Stoudemire (player option )
Brad Miller
Manu Ginobili
Chris Bosh (player option )

[Harry Heinous]

And lets not kid ourselves, the Heat's D and turnovers have been terrible this year, and Wade is as responsible for that as anyone else. I blame that mostly on him not being a 100%, but still, he's part of the team. He's not on the outside of everything.