With the trade deadline approaching...

PetrieUnderstudy · Post #1 » by **PetrieUnderstudy** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:22 pm

I have to say it's Ron. He's up for a new contract & at times he has tunnel vision on the court that messes with the flow of the Kings offense. Give Salmons a chance on a cap friendly contract. I'd like to see Kings move Artest along with Kenny Thomas to Heat for Udonis Haslem & Jason Williams.

and2premiere · Post #2 » by **and2premiere** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:44 pm

i say artest as well. Salmons is exactly like him, but with a little more offense and a little less defense. Artest is planning to opt out, so we might as well get smoethign in return. Also, he's going to want to raise his value by taking more shots, thus messing with the other players and the team's chemistry.

PetrieUnderstudy · Post #3 » by **PetrieUnderstudy** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:49 pm

and2premiere wrote:Artest is planning to opt out, so we might as well get smoethign in return. Also, he's going to want to raise his value by taking more shots, thus messing with the other players and the team's chemistry.

Great points, even though we've won 2 of the last 3 games I liked the way we played better with the 3 "stars" out. Artest I believe is the main reason for some disfunction in the offense.

Post #4 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:10 pm

I voted Bibby, but not really for the reasoning stated in the poll. I think Beno has been doing a very good job, but I'm not convinced that he's the "PG of the future" for the team. He is a good to great PG for a rebuilding team, but he won't lead the team to the next level with his current skill set. Basically I think Bibby needs to go because we need to clear his contract and we need to open up opportunities and minutes for younger guys.

I also think Artest should go, but again not for the reason stated. Him "messing with the flow of the team" is overblown IMO. Yes, he can be a frustration factor at times. But I don't think he's a team killer. Frankly my reason for wanting to move him is just for the simple fact that Petrie should try to get something of value for him instead of just letting him walk this summer.

a-rod · Post #5 » by **a-rod** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:16 pm

Frankly when hes on his game hes unstoppable , so i wouldn't put too much stoke on him taking a bad shoots, cause he also make things happen.
but when he start to disrespect The Sacramento kings franchise here is where i draw the line, this why i want him gone.

Rugged Ron Ron · Post #6 » by **Rugged Ron Ron** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:25 pm

a-rod wrote:Frankly when hes on his game hes unstoppable , so i wouldn't put too much stoke on him taking a bad shoots, cause he also make things happen.
but when he start to disrespect The Sacramento kings franchise here is where i draw the line, this why i want him gone.

When did he disrespect the Kings?

For me, I want both Artest/Bibby gone.

Ballings7 · Post #7 » by **Ballings7** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:44 pm

I don't think he messes with the flow of the team really, I agree with KIE. Just because he takes a small amount of bad shots usually when he does take questionable shots, doesn't mean that at all. It gets exaggerated. Also what's strange is this is only relating to his offense at times in limited amounts - not his defense. Where that's a constant in general in basketball, and for Ron. If Ron's shot selection was such an issue as it's been made out to be in general, then he would of been dealt already, or there would be much more talk about it from the coaches and players and Petrie. Negatives aren't made out to be significantly more than they really are from the latter people, because that's just not how it's been. If it was, as it has been from a lot of fans around in general, then there would of been changes, and more talk from those aformentioned people on the Kings, about Ron's shot selection and his dictation on the flow of the team.

I just don't see these teams that have fitting packages for us for Ron, other than the Lakers. The Knicks aren't giving up Lee. The Heat lack assets and have tried numerous times, and have failed. Petrie said himself he isn't enamored with their pieces. Three way deals have to happen for the Knicks and Heat if they want to get Artest in a trade (or the Knicks give up Lee).

Haslem and Williams for KT or SAR/Ron? Okay. But the Heat have to accept that trade, I would think Petrie would do that. Then again, he may not like the return. Also not sure if Miami would want to give up the valuable, loved Udonis Haslem in Miami. His value and appreciation has only grown for the Heat this season, becoming team captain, and being one of their few consistent, healthy players this season (and since he's been in the league). I absolutely love Haslem, but he's a short-term option at most at PF on this team. His impact would be lessned on this team, but at least he's a productive, above-average complementary big man. Brings quality defense and rebounding, a good jumpshot, toughness, energy, and is in his prime. The kind of player this team has sorely lacked at PF/C for awhile now (and the type of PF that needs to be gotten for the long-term), just a shame he isn't bigger.

I think the Heat and Knicks taking on KT or SAR, and lacking assets, and the Knicks not willing to give up Lee has been the issues in getting something done.

So, unless things change, it's going to have to be a three-way deal for the Heat and Knicks.

Another factor with the Heat and Knicks, is they have little time left (if any for the Heat) to be making a move to try and make the playoffs. Regardless if they're going to keep Ron or not, after this season. Just because if he went to one of those teams, doesn't mean he's most likely going to stay there. There are far superior situations he can go to than those teams and with their queationable, leaning to bleak futures. Miami isn't the place it used to be, basketball-wise.

KT or SAR will be going with Ron if he's going to be dealt.

I'd be satisfied and happy getting Crittenton from the Lakers for Ron (or Bibby), and Lee, from the Knicks. But who knows if either of those could really happen, given the surrounding factors.

As I've made known before, I adore Crittenton's talent and up-side as a big, athletic PG (he's not more of a two). Other than Critt as the main piece of a package, I don't really think there's anything else realistic on the Lakers for us for Ron or Bibby. And the same, absolutely goes for the Knicks, outside of David Lee as the main piece of a package. As has been established. No lee, no Ron for the Knicks.

I've felt this way for awhile ever since last season, and still do - Mike Bibby will go if anybody. Either of them can go, of course, but I think Bibby's always been the more likely of the two.

Ever since last February, most of this stuff hasn't been legit about Bibby/Artest though. Just speculation and re-hash and hype by the media, mainly outside of Sacramento from what I've seen. Until something legit is going on, this is all anybody can do outside of the organizations. Were all in a similar boat, not on the big ship.

a-rod · Post #8 » by **a-rod** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:51 pm

KingInExile wrote:I voted Bibby, but not really for the reasoning stated in the poll. I think Beno has been doing a very good job, but I'm not convinced that he's the "PG of the future" for the team. He is a good to great PG for a rebuilding team, but he won't lead the team to the next level with his current skill set. Basically I think Bibby needs to go because we need to clear his contract and we need to open up opportunities and minutes for younger guys.

I also think Artest should go, but again not for the reason stated. Him "messing with the flow of the team" is overblown IMO. Yes, he can be a frustration factor at times. But I don't think he's a team killer. Frankly my reason for wanting to move him is just for the simple fact that Petrie should try to get something of value for him instead of just letting him walk this summer.

i just don't see it mainly because he commits silly turnovers, and i don't trust his ball handling.

but don't get me wrong i want him here as backup or hopefully starter for the right price of course .

how about 4 years 16 million for beno.

SacKingZZZ · Post #9 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:43 am

Artest but not for the reason stated in the poll. For the simple fact that he can be used to get us something nice moving forward and we have a lot of young guys to step up in his place. We can't just watch him walk out the door which despite what you think is very very possible.

Post #10 » by **ICMTM** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:00 am

I say everyone is coming back. I still think Brad Miller should be the one to go.

Post #11 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:34 am

ICMTM wrote:I say everyone is coming back. I still think Brad Miller should be the one to go.

The only problem with that is that we really have no center to replace him. Mikki has enough trouble rebounding against PF's and Spencer certainly isn't ready.

Post #12 » by **KF10** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:37 am

ICMTM wrote:I say everyone is coming back. I still think Brad Miller should be the one to go.

IMO Miller is the KEY for Theus' Offense. Without Miller, our offense might look like crap IMO...He is THAT important in offense...

a-rod · Post #13 » by **a-rod** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:41 am

^true

Post #14 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:52 pm

Mike is definitely the one to go by the way for one main reason--luxury tax. With Kevin's extension kicking in next year, we'll be far over the tax. But if we move Mike, we'll have Kevin's extension and we should be able to re-sign Beno while staying under the tax.

Smills91 · Post #15 » by **Smills91** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:10 pm

Keep the team together, make the play-offs, re-sign Ron in the offseason, draft a PG in the draft(in the 15-20 range - Darren Collison anyone? there is a plethera of talented PG's in this draft and Petrie can snag a VERY good one whether he has the 1st pick or the 20th pick), Build on this season for next season and watch our players value sky-rocket as they make some noise in the playoffs.

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #16 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:03 am

Smills91 wrote:Keep the team together, make the play-offs, re-sign Ron in the offseason, draft a PG in the draft(in the 15-20 range - Darren Collison anyone? there is a plethera of talented PG's in this draft and Petrie can snag a VERY good one whether he has the 1st pick or the 20th pick), Build on this season for next season and watch our players value sky-rocket as they make some noise in the playoffs.

Stay the course, eh?

IMO it's time to trade both Bibby and Ron.

Post #17 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:22 am

Smills91 wrote:Keep the team together, make the play-offs, re-sign Ron in the offseason, draft a PG in the draft(in the 15-20 range - Darren Collison anyone? there is a plethera of talented PG's in this draft and Petrie can snag a VERY good one whether he has the 1st pick or the 20th pick), Build on this season for next season and watch our players value sky-rocket as they make some noise in the playoffs.

If we're going to re-sign Ron with any hope of staying under the tax we'll have to move some other guys too.

Bac2Basics · Post #18 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:25 am

Smills91 wrote:Keep the team together, make the play-offs, re-sign Ron in the offseason, draft a PG in the draft(in the 15-20 range - Darren Collison anyone? there is a plethera of talented PG's in this draft and Petrie can snag a VERY good one whether he has the 1st pick or the 20th pick), Build on this season for next season and watch our players value sky-rocket as they make some noise in the playoffs.

That would actually be about the worst move that the Kings could make.

Sacramento needs to move multiple big contracts

BMiller52 · Post #19 » by **BMiller52** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:59 am

Bac2Basics wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That would actually be about the worst move that the Kings could make.

Sacramento needs to move multiple big contracts

Yea, and we atleast need to do something to get a real PF. Whether it's in the draft, or trading for another teams young PF, we just need a real PF.

Bac2Basics · Post #20 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:02 am

BMiller52 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Yea, and we atleast need to do something to get a real PF. Whether it's in the draft, or trading for another teams young PF, we just need a real PF.

PF is definitely a concern, but based on what we'd be able to trade for, I'd say our best bet is probably the draft.