Wanted: One Lock down wing defender

[BigSlam]

Nice Walt - I didn't even think about Sefolosha. I liked what I saw of him a lot last season. Of all the guys you mention above, he is the one that stands out to me.

Pietrus is said to be as dumb as a house brick and I'm pretty sure he's looking to get paid. He's a huge MJ fan so maybe that would help but I think I'd pass.

I wonder what it would take Sefolosha?

[Walt Cronkite]

It's hard to predict, because you can't really tell how the Bulls feel about him. Due to expectations they can't play him too much because they have to try and win and I know he was struggling earlier so he probably didn't deserve to play anyway. That said, he was a lottery pick 2 years ago. We dont' have much to offer the Bulls where they'd say "WOW, you're really thinking about trading HIM??" but they're so desperate for low post scoring that maybe they'd take a risk on May?

So I'd say they would make any trades with us it would be something like Thabo for May and a 2nd. Even then, I don't think they'd do it because they have another year to see how Sefolosha does, but if May can't go, it's a total loss minus the 2nd, which we'd assume wouldn't be that early.

[BigSlam]

Josh Childress would be anther guy but I think his price tag would be over what I would be willing to spend - not that he wouldn't be worth the dollars, but we couldn't justify it with the make up of our roster and where we are going.

[Bowens]

Nazzy for Mardy Collins, Jerome James and a 2nd?
They get out of the James contract and get an active big to play with Curry or with ZBo off the bench?

I just noticed this offer and quite frankly I'm shocked you would even consider Jerome James.

Collins stinks. Jerome James is a walking disaster area and I don't think the Knicks have their second round pick until the year 3008.

And why would you want to give up Nazr whose actually played pretty well for us?

[Walt Cronkite]

Childress would be sweet, don't see ATL trading him to a division rival

[Bowens]

Also, I don't think it makes much sense to trade Ammo now because his value is at maybe a little above zero. And aren't you guys somewhat curious to see Ammo when he has a bit of experience under his belt? I know I am curious and don't want to trade him now unless it's for something we really need, like a good point guard.

[ice9]

As far as Thabo:

he fills a very specific need for the Bulls: a big defensive guard that can play the 2 next to Hinrich and play the 1 next to Gordon. Few players in the league meet those qualifications. Without him we have a backcourt of midgets with Kirk/Ben/Duhon. He's been coming on strong now that he's getting playing time, and is ridiculously good on defense. It's not that we wouldn't be willing to trade him, but he wouldn't be a guy we'd trade on his own. Since he has a role no one else on our roster can fill, trading him would leave a hole. He's not good enough to fetch on upgrade at another position, or a better 2 guard, so there'd be no incentive to trade him on his own. If he was to be involved in a trade, it'd be part of a package for a real good player, and I doubt you guys would trade anyone like Okafor for him. We have a log-jam at power forward right now, with Smith/Noah/Tyrus/Nocioni all needing minutes there. We wouldn't wanna hope May is healthy enough to clog up the rotation any more next year.

The Khryapa for Harrington/2nd we would definitely do though.

[BigSlam]

Thanks for the input ice9. I understand your POV. He sounds like the consumate role player - "He's not good enough to fetch on upgrade at another position, or a better 2 guard, so there'd be no incentive to trade him on his own" pretty much sums it up.

[Walt Cronkite]

I thought Thabo was the largest reach on my list. Good too see I was on target with Viktor though.

[BigSlam]

I was just reading the Jazz board and they don't seem overly attached to Ronnie at all:

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=751535&start=0

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=752209

[CarolinaCash]

Bigslam please enlighten those of us that have questioned the Knicks deal you proposed with Jerome James and Mardy Collins. I think it may be the worst deal ever proposed on this site by a Bobcats fan. All 3 elements of the trade are questionable.......1) Why would you trade Nazr? 2) Why do you want Mardy Collins 3) Why do you want Jerome James and his contract.........he's been the biggest mistake ever since he signed his contract and the Knicks can't unload his contract without giving up valuable players or draft picks.

[Walt Cronkite]

Brewer is #2 in the league in steals per 48 and already gets almost 2 a game as it is. I don't really expect Utah fans to be absolutely enamored with him, but I don't see them wanting to give him up for Ammo, either.

[BigSlam]

1. While he has been ok, Nazzy is FAR from a long term solution for us. Heck, our coach even has hesitations about playing him with EO50!!

2. Look at Collins game log from the end of last season. He got some burn in April and played really well. If we are going to go small then we need an off guard who can handle the ball, create for others (meaning JSwish and Crash) and not detract from them and play soild on ball D.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/playerGame ... eason=2006

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/mardycollins.asp

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mardy-Collins-340/

3. It's not that I WANT Jerome James, but sometimes you need to break some eggs in order to make an omlette. James only has two seasons left on his contract so he would be off the books years ahead of Nazzy's. That would make him and attractive tradable asset next season to a team looking for potential cap space.

On top of that, we get a Knicks 2nd round pick - which would more than likley be a very, very high 2nd.

[spectre_]

I certainly wouldn't trade Nazr for what should be a "stop gap" move...esp. for Mardy Collins. Personally I think we could get him for a 2nd and cap relief.

We're way too weak in the paint to consider moving Nazr. Statistically hasn't be been one of our more productive players?

You'd think a D Leaguer could be had for what we want. Isn't there a Alan Anderson with some handles out there?

[Bowens]

1. While he has been ok, Nazzy is FAR from a long term solution for us. Heck, our coach even has hesitations about playing him with EO50!!

2. Look at Collins game log from the end of last season. He got some burn in April and played really well. If we are going to go small then we need an off guard who can handle the ball, create for others (meaning JSwish and Crash) and not detract from them and play soild on ball D.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/playerGame ... eason=2006

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/mardycollins.asp

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mardy-Collins-340/

3. It's not that I WANT Jerome James, but sometimes you need to break some eggs in order to make an omlette. James only has two seasons left on his contract so he would be off the books years ahead of Nazzy's. That would make him and attractive tradable asset next season to a team looking for potential cap space.

On top of that, we get a Knicks 2nd round pick - which would more than likley be a very, very high 2nd.

Well as someone who watches every single Knicks game, I can tell you that Mardy Collins is not good. He had a few decent games at the end of last season but this year when he had his opportunity, he was terrible.

Jerome James is garbage and is ALWAYS injured and out of shape. He got his contract with the Knicks on playing well in 2 playoff games. Otherwise he's been horrible. Also his contract is only one year shorter than Nazr who I might add is MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Jerome Lames.

The Knicks DO NOT have a second round pick this year. I believe that one goes to Chicago as part of the Eddy Curry trade. Yup, it's that wonderful trade that keeps on giving Knicks fans much joy.

[fatlever]

i thinnk we could get collins for a cheeseburger, if we wanted him. no need to add anything of value to the deal.

just add harrington for a knicks player with more than one year remaining and i think isiah would consider. that way he could say, "see, i am trying to fix our cap problem"

[fatlever]

here's the real problem with trades... we have a terrible roster right now for trying to make trades.

-carroll, wallace are base year.
-nazr, anderson, and mcinnis have trade restrictions.
-ammo and may have little current value vs enormous future potention. unless they were included in a deal to get us a perfect missing piece, i just think they are worth keeping around.
-we cant trade felton w/out getting another starting pg in return
-hollins and davidson have little value and dont have big enough contracts to attract teams looking at dumping salary.
-i dont think anyone in the front office is thinking about trading richardson and trading dudley would be a mistake.
-we arent trading okafor unless its in a deal to get a superstar.

that leaves harrington and of course our draft pick.

good luck coming up with something that is a valid trade and improves our team while making sense for the other team.

[Walt Cronkite]

Khryapa/Graham/Graham/Maybe Mason for Othella and a 2nd.

Having one of those guys acting as a lockdown defender (or in Viktor's case, bother athletic bigs), improves our team while making sense for the other team.

[Ballings7]

I agree a set-wing-defender is needed... where that's the main part of their role.

I actually really like Mardy Collins. I think he just needs to get consistent playing time where there aren't numerous other guys (particularily veterans) in front of him. He's been up and down in erratic playing time so far. But there still isn't a solid situation in NY for Collins to have a good chance to succeed and develop as a player. There's too much proven depth ahead of him.

One of the Graham's could be fits, and probably Mason.

I like Collins a lot though because of his versatility, size, toughness, and being younger, as well.

Picking up Bobby Jones would be smart if he's cut again, by Memphis, in the future. He's going to be a quality athletic role-playing swingman IMO. Mature young player, also.

[Hendrix]

Okay, here are the guys who we could put together a realistic package for.

Bulls: Viktor Khryapa (1 year 1.9m) or Thabo Sefolosha (2 yrs 1.8m)

I don't know why the Bulls would want to trade us either of Sefolosha or Khryapa, but maybe we somehow become a third party at the deadline and this is the prize. I wouldn't want to trade a 1st for either of these players. Since Khryapa is in the final year of his deal maybe something like Othella and a 2nd would be enough to get a deal done?

GSW: Mickael Pietrus (1 year 3.4m) or Matt Barnes (1 year 3m)

Neither of these guys has played as well as last season and they're both playing for their qualifying offer. I think GS would prefer to keep them and resign whichever they liked more, but maybe we could get one of them for a similar dead as Khryapa. Barnes is a better defender against 3s and in the Warriors system he plays a lot against 4s, where as Pietrus is a better defender against 2s than 3s.

Pacers: Stephen Graham (1 year 0.77m) or Andre Owens (1 year 0.68m)

Don't really see the Pacers wanting to trade either of these players, but it's a low risk for us and they both could end up being pretty good stoppers.

Denver: Yakhouba Diawara (1 year 0.68m)

Pretty much the only defensive stopper on the Nuggets, so I doubt they're willing to deal him.

Milwaukee: Desmond Mason (2 years 5m)

Milwaukee is spinning it's tires but not going much of anywhere and has a glut at the forward position. Othella, May and a 2nd?

New Orleans: Rasual Butler (3 years 3.3m )

Hornets wouldn't want to shake up their chemistry and I don't think we're good trading partners, but they'd probably do Nazr for Butler and a 2. Lateral move at best.

Toronto: Joey Graham (2 years 1.59m)

Jamario Moon has made this Graham as expendable as his brother. Not sure what Raps would want from him though, as they certainly aren't in a position where they HAVE to trade him. Also, he's probably the worst player on this list as far as injuries go.

So, there we go. I really think we've got just as much of a chance of finding a keeper in the dleague as we do at landing one of these guys in a trade, but I was saying that about our bigs situation earlier and we got Nazr, so who knows.

Toronto fan here. Jut a fyi. You don't want Joey Graham or Steven Graham . We'll give him to you for free. He's terrible at rotating, and has no bbiq. He's a poor man defender. He has the body to gaurd, but he's just an idiot. For example revised defensive compisite scores for 82games.com. average player is 0. Graham is -22.9, Bowen for comparison sake is +61.5.

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Player      Joey Graham      Brusce Bowen
Team          Toronto         San Antonio
Pos             SG/SF              SG/SF
Def. +/-         -0.5               -9.6
Drtg              107                103
Counter Part     19.5                13.7
DCS Rating      -22.9                61.5
Rank              281                  2
Percentile       14.9%               99.7%


http://www.82games.com/nichols2.htm




BTW. Someone in the thread was talking about possibly moving Okafor. What kind of package were you guys looking for for him? I think he'd look good next to Bosh for rebounding, and defense. We could trade 1 of our PG's, Calderon, and Ford. Bargnani, Kapono, Delfino, Rahso, Humphries and draft picks are available. Could we come up with a decent poackage ot of some of that stuff?