Wade in Tmac's Orlando situation

KDRE · Post #161 » by **KDRE** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:05 am

kbitboc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kobe longest streak was 8.
Lebron=7

LOL @ short memories. Remember LA losing 19 of its last 21 games a couple of years back?

KDRE · Post #162 » by **KDRE** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:07 am

shaqfan1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The Rockets lost by 40 points that game and Tmac shot 10-27 to get his 27 points. Plus, he sat out the whole 4th quarter when there was like a 25 point lead because he thought the team had no chance to come back while Yao played every second of the 4th iirc.

Uhh, that is incorrect. JVG sat both Yao and Tmac.
They scored something near a total of 63 points that game combined and the rest of the team did absolutely nothing. Mike James was kicked out and that was the end of that story.

RoxFan08 · Post #163 » by **RoxFan08** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:33 am

NetsForce wrote:Kobe's team didn't get good until this year... And he plays in a VERY STRONG Western Conference, Mac was in a WEAK Eastern Conference...

Assuming you aren't kidding, I don't see your point. The East at the time Tmac played for the Magic was bad, but VERY top heavy. Tmac's Magic never got higher than a seventh seed, and took the Pistons (still very good at the time) to 7 games.

Now that he's IN the Western Conference, Tmac hasn't been able to win against very solid teams in the Mavs and Jazz.

I also happen to think our 04-05 team was our best ever. If we'd had Juwan healthy (he had a heart condition), I honestly think we could have pulled it out. Losing game 7 so badly was horrible. But the Mavs were very, very good, and JET was clutch as hell for them.

Induveca · Post #164 » by **Induveca** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:38 am

Jules Winnfield wrote:Look, the bottom line is Wade is not a superstar. He might have been in 2005 or whenever he won that title, but his performance now simply validates what most people observed: He's not that great a player without the whistle. When you have more points from free throws than field goals in the finals, I'm not going to put you on a historic level. At worst, it's ref favoritism at its absolute disgusting peak and at best, it is a player flopping his way to a championship. But he won, got finals MVP and got ALL THE CREDIT.

Now people want to make excuses for wade now that he has the worst team in the Eastern Conference. 13 game losing streak doesn't happen to teams that have a top 10 player. They just don't happen. People want to cite injuries: Kobe Bryant plays injured all the time, but finds a way to help his team win ballgames. Wade plays "injured" (he looks fine to me), losses ball game after ball game and his fans come and make excuses.

This is by far the worst I've ever seen from a superstar. Ever.

All the Miami fans that swore up and down that Wade was on Kobe's level, please shut up. Never again can you make that argument. Wade is now on Redd's level...maybe. And that's being generous.

Induveca · Post #165 » by **Induveca** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:46 am

circushots wrote:Am I the only one here that's not completely BLIND?

I mean, has anyone actually watched Heat games recently? Dwyane Wade looks like he's about 60% healthy out there, despite whatever reports or what he says. Which is kind of scary considering that he still looks a fair bit quicker than the average guard out there, but that's besides the point.

For those of you who doubt his abilities, do yourself a favor and actually sit through a Heat game (yeah, I know it's painful right now) and come back and tell me that he's healthy.

I'm not saying that if he were healthy they'd be back to contender status, but I find it pretty pathetic that some of you knowledgeable posters can't see that the man is injured out there. If you play ball yourself you know how tough it is to even be out there let alone put up good stats when you're hobbled.

That is complete and utter bull. You don't do 180s flying into traffic, trying to slam the ball down "hobbled". You don't dribble through traffic like a madman breaking ankles "hobbled".

The guy is fine. You're just making excuses. Things are simple in Miami right now. Wade can't carry a team. Even if he was "hobbled", the dominant superstar you guys are describing as Wade should be able to squeak out 2-3 wins in a 13 game stretch (14 as of tomorrow when LeBron James and his cast of misfits win).

Seriously, look back at history. Do you think the Iverson of 2001/2002 or the LeBron of last year run this same Miami squad to 13 straight losses? You give Wade the credit for the championship, so he should take the blame for the losses no? Or would you like to come to my more logical side, the side i've maintained all along as a lifetime NBA fan and admit Shaq's presence decides games. His dominant presence of 2 years ago drove Miami over the top and straight to the ring. Now that he's old, basically finished as a dominant player......so are the Heat.

Be realistic. You put Arenas/Redd/T-Mac/Kobe/Pierce/Anthony/Iverson alongside Shaq two years ago and they make the Finals as well. Take Shaq off the team and NONE of them make it........

Milan24 · Post #166 » by **Milan24** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:52 am

KDRE wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

LOL @ short memories. Remember LA losing 19 of its last 21 games a couple of years back?

In that stretch they had a 8,5 and 7 game losing streak.

Induveca · Post #167 » by **Induveca** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:54 am

BBallFreak wrote:This thread is really pointless.

Wade has been called less than a superstar, been compared to Isiah Rider, we've been told that he wouldn't have even gotten Orlando to the playoffs, had all the credit that he earned for winning the championship taken away and given to Shaq, and heard the ever popular "teh refs!!!" to explain away his numbers. Hell, we've even had the entire city insulted for being ignorant!

This is stupid!

Heat fans, don't participate anymore! It's us against them. They've got the numbers. We know we're right. Deep down, so do they...

Keep saying that when the losing streak hits 15, and possibly 17. The next two games, Cleveland and San Antonio. You have a shot to beat Indy after than, but then you're followed up by Boston and Orlando (both losses IMO).

So best case scenario, you break the streak in Indy then start a new one the next night. 18 games, 17 losses......or Wade and co. take things to a new level and lose 18 in a row. If you hit 20 losses in a row, Wade's luster is completely gone....

And yes, I hope it happens, Wade's rise to superstar status has been seronaded by referee whistles and an almost homoerotic Miami fanbase. Seriously, look at some of your signatures and look at the fans as they enter AA arenas wearing 5-6 variations of Wade jerseys.

Time to become informed fans, not fanboys.

kbitboc · Post #168 » by **kbitboc** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:19 am

KDRE wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

LOL @ short memories. Remember LA losing 19 of its last 21 games a couple of years back?

Like I said...his longest losing streak is 8. Lebron is 7 and Wade is 12 and counting.

Griever24 · Post #169 » by **Griever24** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:25 am

Jules Winnfield wrote:
Look, the bottom line is Wade is not a superstar. He might have been in 2005 or whenever he won that title, but his performance now simply validates what most people observed: He's not that great a player without the whistle. When you have more points from free throws than field goals in the finals, I'm not going to put you on a historic level. At worst, it's ref favoritism at its absolute disgusting peak and at best, it is a player flopping his way to a championship. But he won, got finals MVP and got ALL THE CREDIT.

Now people want to make excuses for wade now that he has the worst team in the Eastern Conference. 13 game losing streak doesn't happen to teams that have a top 10 player. They just don't happen. People want to cite injuries: Kobe Bryant plays injured all the time, but finds a way to help his team win ballgames. Wade plays "injured" (he looks fine to me), losses ball game after ball game and his fans come and make excuses.

This is by far the worst I've ever seen from a superstar. Ever.

All the Miami fans that swore up and down that Wade was on Kobe's level, please shut up. Never again can you make that argument. Wade is now on Redd's level...maybe. And that's being generous

Induveca wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

+2

Harry Heinous · Post #170 » by **Harry Heinous** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:30 am

Griever24 wrote:
Jules Winnfield wrote:
Look, the bottom line is Wade is not a superstar. He might have been in 2005 or whenever he won that title, but his performance now simply validates what most people observed: He's not that great a player without the whistle. When you have more points from free throws than field goals in the finals, I'm not going to put you on a historic level. At worst, it's ref favoritism at its absolute disgusting peak and at best, it is a player flopping his way to a championship. But he won, got finals MVP and got ALL THE CREDIT.

Now people want to make excuses for wade now that he has the worst team in the Eastern Conference. 13 game losing streak doesn't happen to teams that have a top 10 player. They just don't happen. People want to cite injuries: Kobe Bryant plays injured all the time, but finds a way to help his team win ballgames. Wade plays "injured" (he looks fine to me), losses ball game after ball game and his fans come and make excuses.

This is by far the worst I've ever seen from a superstar. Ever.

All the Miami fans that swore up and down that Wade was on Kobe's level, please shut up. Never again can you make that argument. Wade is now on Redd's level...maybe. And that's being generous

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+2

And you wonder why I bash some lakers fans. (most of them are great)

You just +2 another fellow fan saying "bottom line is Wade is not a superstar"

:rofl2:

Post #171 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:34 am

When you have people complaining about the jerseys and styles of jerseys fans of a particular team are wearing, you know you have issues.

Harry Heinous · Post #172 » by **Harry Heinous** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:39 am

Flash3 wrote:When you have people complaining about the jerseys and styles of jerseys fans of a particular team are wearing, you know you have issues.

Right? I think his boyfriend broke his heart in Miami or something. :dontknow:

Griever24 · Post #173 » by **Griever24** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:46 am

Harry Heinous wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And you wonder why I bash some lakers fans. (most of them are great)

You just +2 another fellow fan saying "bottom line is Wade is not a superstar"

im obligated to my opinion .. he posted something and i agreed .. i believed he had Valid points .. you just make Bashful comments and dont try to argue when it comes to the Lakers ... I gave wade his respects and Props when he played like a finals mvp ... now i give him his criticizm when he plays like a borderline Star

Induveca · Post #174 » by **Induveca** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:48 am

Griever24 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

im obligated to my opinion .. he posted something and i agreed .. i believed he had Valid points .. you just make Bashful comments and dont try to argue when it comes to the Lakers ... I gave wade his respects and Props when he played like a finals mvp ... now i give him his criticizm when he plays like a borderline Star

Exactly.

L&H_05 · Post #175 » by **L&H_05** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:50 am

Well, I have always been curious to see Wade lace them up as the sole leader of his team with a sub-par roster and getting the attention from the defense that his contemporaries have gotten for years..

This Heat team is gawd-awful...

So I guess I kinda have my answer...

Harry Heinous · Post #176 » by **Harry Heinous** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:50 am

Griever24 wrote:im obligated to my opinion .. he posted something and i agreed .. i believed he had Valid points .. you just make Bashful comments and dont try to argue when it comes to the Lakers ... I gave wade his respects and Props when he played like a finals mvp ... now i give him his criticizm when he plays like a borderline Star

So you agree with him, Dwyane Wade is not a superstar? Y/N

Griever24 · Post #177 » by **Griever24** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:56 am

Harry Heinous wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So you agree with him, Dwyane Wade is not a superstar? Y/N

i think he WAS a Superstar .. This year he is NOT playing like a superstar

The Comparisons hes recieved on the Heat board's are ridiculous do to the fact he cannot even get his team one win in 13 games with a 2nd option who yes is declining but still demands a double team

Injuries or not all our stars play through them and none let their team fall this low

Induveca · Post #178 » by **Induveca** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:58 am

L&H_05 wrote:Well, I have always been curious to see Wade lace them up as the sole leader of his team with a sub-par roster and getting the attention from the defense that his contemporaries have gotten for years..

This Heat team is gawd-awful...

So I guess I kinda have my answer...

Same here.......he can't carry a team. LeBron, as much as I dislike him has proven he is simply on another level. Same with Kobe and AI.

Wade is not on that level.

Griever24 · Post #179 » by **Griever24** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:04 am

Induveca wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Same here.......he can't carry a team. LeBron, as much as I dislike him has proven he is simply on another level. Same with Kobe and AI.

Wade is not on that level.

Thank you Induveca .. Though it doesnt always mean their teams are great and it may never be pretty wins you always know Kobe, LeBrons, AI's Nash Garnett and True Superstar or not even Superstar GREAT players ... Their Will, Fire and sheer determination will not let them Fail

Harry Heinous · Post #180 » by **Harry Heinous** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:30 am

Griever24 wrote:Their Will, Fire and sheer determination will not let them Fail

Yup. Just go back and watch Wade in the playoffs 2003-2006. Will and sheer determination are often how scouts and coaches describe Dwyane Wade.

Especially the 2006 NBA finals. Talk about will, fire, and sheer determination. Down 0-2 in the series, and Wade goes on to average 40ppg in the next 4 games to will his team back and win the championship.