What would you give for Brad Miller?

[sacking123]

There really needs to be a middle ground here.
To start I don't think KT was actually being talked about.
The topic was about BMiller.
Maybe in another thread KT came up in the trade, but I don't think I have seen Kings fans bring it up here (i could be wrong tho).
I am not going to weigh in on the trade part of this, but I think it was Shrink that had some good points.
Teams do change their mind at certain points of the season, off season etc.
Picking up a steal like Beno can do such a thing (not implying that it has here).
But will Petrie think that Beno, KMart, Salmons, Garcia will be enough on the wings for the future and just want to go after a prized big man?

I honestly think Petrie won't trade Miller unless its a great package for 1 reason and that is Spencer Hawes.
He is more valuable to the Kings by teaching the Rook a lot of things about NBA basketball. Is it a big price to pay in terms of Brads contract, sure, but there wouldn't be many better players to teach Hawes.


IMO some Kings posters do over value our players, but a lot of other posters just love tacking KT in a trade to drop X players value.

Have plenty more to say about this but it has been 1 long post...sorry

[SactownHrtBrks8]

I should explain.

While you can impact players in the draft, but how many of those said players when you championship with the same team that they were drafted by? (Minus Duncan and Spurs)

Lakers and Heat traded for Shaq
Pistons traded for SHeed.

many others

[DanTown8587]

I should explain.

While you can impact players in the draft, but how many of those said players when you championship with the same team that they were drafted by? (Minus Duncan and Spurs)

Lakers and Heat traded for Shaq
Pistons traded for SHeed.

many others

That is such an ignorant statement. I mean learn your history. The NBA started naming a finals MVP in the 1969-1970 season. Jerry West was the first to win it, and is still the only losing player in NBA Finals history to win the award on a losing team. Anyway, their have been 39 NBA Finals MVP awards handed out, and of those 39, 32 went to players with their original team. So the argument that teams acquire the basis of title teams if completely false. Only an eight-year old would think that because 4 of the last 8 were won by guys on different teams, and three were by Shaq and the Lakers.

And beyond the Finals MVP, the Spurs, Bulls, Lakers, Celtics, Pistons (80s version) were primarily built by homegrown talent. I mean, I know its been a while, but the Bulls first three titles were almost all homegrown talent. Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, King, Perdue.

[pillwenney]

This would be a completely valid point if we were actually unloading Kenny in the proposed deal, but we're not. We're trading him for a guy that is a couple million less every year who in the middle of recovering from a serious injury. Kenny is at least healthy and is better than his stats would indicate (more than anything he needs a change of scenery in the worst way).

I believe this is short-sighted, and ignores both production and finances.

1. Battie's deal is $6 mil less in real dollars, but likely $4 mil or more is doubled for the lux, so it's actually more like $10 mil.

2. I would say Battie's contract producing ZERO this year is even better than Kenny's! You're paying $2.7 million dollars more for KT than Battie, and you're getting 1.4 PPG and 2.7 RPG. You think that's a good investment? You could sign two guys at the vet min for $2.7 mil, and both would put up three times that production.

3. Insurance is paying most of Battie's money. Can you say that about the nearly $8 mil you're paying for KT.

4. There's always the chance Battie retires for health reasons, and his deal comes off the books. You got that to look forward to with Kenny?

I was looking at this more from Orlando's point of view. They pay another couple million for a guy that can actually play right now, and possibly would get plenty of playing time there.
And it's kind of silly to look at his stats, because he pretty much just hasn't been playing (not that he has deserved to). From the Kings point of view, I would like to trade Kenny for Battie in theory, but it's not like some huge incentive and it's certainly not "unloading" Kenny.


I'm curious why you think you think SAC can offer Artest more than anyone else? You said he's underpaid, but suppose Charlotte offers him $10 mil. Are you saying that even though your team will likely be over the lux (especially if you give Artest a contract), your owners would be willing to pay double what any other team would pay? $20 mil just to keep Artest seems excessive.

Okay, by "anyone else", I mean anyone else that would possibly go after Ron. Charlotte wouldn't.

And this is also assuming that we move Mike, which I think we will, but we'll see I suppose. In that case, I think we would only go a little into the luxury tax.

[Hunter]

Well, Brad isn't exactly the ideal fit in Detroit...and he's kinda overpaid for my liking....but that said I'd be willing to trade for him if the price were right and it allowed Sheed to move back to PF.

It'd be pretty hard for us to put an attractive offer together though. We don't really have any C's we could offer in return. We could give up Dice, a buncha expirings and maybe Amir or a pick...but I'm not sure how much interest that would hold for Sac. Dice is an improvement defensively and Amir could be a nice part of their future, but PF is not exactly a big position of need at the moment.

Would probably have to involve a 3rd team, maybe get somebody like Kwame headed to Sac along with Amir and a pick or something. I dunno.

[BMiller52]

Well, Brad isn't exactly the ideal fit in Detroit...and he's kinda overpaid for my liking....but that said I'd be willing to trade for him if the price were right and it allowed Sheed to move back to PF.

It'd be pretty hard for us to put an attractive offer together though. We don't really have any C's we could offer in return. We could give up Dice, a buncha expirings and maybe Amir or a pick...but I'm not sure how much interest that would hold for Sac. Dice is an improvement defensively and Amir could be a nice part of their future, but PF is not exactly a big position of need at the moment.

Would probably have to involve a 3rd team, maybe get somebody like Kwame headed to Sac along with Amir and a pick or something. I dunno.

I think the Kings would be interested in that sort of package. AJ has some potential.

[Cammo101]

I should explain.

While you can impact players in the draft, but how many of those said players when you championship with the same team that they were drafted by? (Minus Duncan and Spurs)

Lakers and Heat traded for Shaq
Pistons traded for SHeed.

many others

Bird, Magic, Olajuwon, Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Isiah...the list goes on. More titles are won by drafted star players than aquired star players. Because aquired star players usually have some fault or they would never be on the open market to begin with.

[chriswebb86]

There really needs to be a middle ground here.
To start I don't think KT was actually being talked about.
The topic was about BMiller.
Maybe in another thread KT came up in the trade, but I don't think I have seen Kings fans bring it up here (i could be wrong tho).
I am not going to weigh in on the trade part of this, but I think it was Shrink that had some good points.
Teams do change their mind at certain points of the season, off season etc.
Picking up a steal like Beno can do such a thing (not implying that it has here).
But will Petrie think that Beno, KMart, Salmons, Garcia will be enough on the wings for the future and just want to go after a prized big man?

I honestly think Petrie won't trade Miller unless its a great package for 1 reason and that is Spencer Hawes.
He is more valuable to the Kings by teaching the Rook a lot of things about NBA basketball. Is it a big price to pay in terms of Brads contract, sure, but there wouldn't be many better players to teach Hawes.


IMO some Kings posters do over value our players, but a lot of other posters just love tacking KT in a trade to drop X players value.

Have plenty more to say about this but it has been 1 long post...sorry

Yeah I agree with you on this and agree that some Kings fans overvalue their players, but I think is the same with most teams. While I could understand moving Miller I think his value is more to the Kings then any other team and because of this we would not be offered what we feel he is worth. Also great point on the fact that Miller has been working with Hawes.