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Is it time for Bargs to go back to the bench?

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Post#81 » by Darrick Martin » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:08 am

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We are quick to forget because he is the reigning Coach of the Year and BC has full confidence in him otherwise he'd be gone.
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Post#82 » by magani » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:13 am

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We are quick to forget because he is the reigning Coach of the Year and BC has full confidence in him otherwise he'd be gone.


I don't believe that for one second. BC had no choice but to re-sign Mitchell after his unexpected COY award. BC was in a no-win situation and probably gave Sam the benefit of the doubt. In time we'll need a new coach to take us to the next level with a better x's and o's approach to the game.
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Post#83 » by dagger » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:16 am

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I agree totally with your assessment. Too many posters on here diminish the coaching staff's role in integrating (or lack thereof) Bargs into the starting five. It's as if Bargs and Bargs alone determines how he'll play. Bargs isn't a one on one player that can just create for himself. It's like Bargs goes down the court and instead of looking for his shots and where he needs to be, he first looks where Bosh is and then reacts from there. Some would argue that Bargs doesn't deserve any plays run for him, but if he's your prized number one pick, then you HAVE TO design a better system that works with all the players on the court. I do think Bargs misses TJ somewhat who created some easier threes in rhythmn from drive and kicks and also in finding him on the break.


It has been writing by the media that our system is that the first big down the floor, usually Bosh, posts up. And you'd want Bosh to post up most of the time for obvious reasons. But then you are under utilizing your other offensive talent. We need more alternatives to involve all players, as opposed to allowing players to get touches on a haphazard basis. I've argued that more structure would make Jose a bit more adventurous and TJ a little less prone to overplaying on penetration or taking too many shots when he isn't in the grove.
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Post#84 » by The Letter V » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:27 am

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It has been writing by the media that our system is that the first big down the floor, usually Bosh, posts up. And you'd want Bosh to post up most of the time for obvious reasons. But then you are under utilizing your other offensive talent. We need more alternatives to involve all players, as opposed to allowing players to get touches on a haphazard basis. I've argued that more structure would make Jose a bit more adventurous and TJ a little less prone to overplaying on penetration or taking too many shots when he isn't in the grove.

I've been thinking this as well. When you watch PHX in their half-court sets, it is the complete opposite of how they fast-break. It looks like they're free-styling out there, but it's quite systematical, especially with cutters and shooters moving along the perimeter to create passing angles. That's what makes it so easy for Nash to pass out of the paint, because he knows where his shooters will be at all times.

A little creativity would go a long way in making this offense the best it can be. Though I don't think it necessarily means firing Smitch, because I really think he is a big part of the identity of this ball club. I'm not sure there are many coaches out there that could commend the respect Smitch does from his players. Rather, if BC could find Smitch an offensive wizard as his assistant coach, that could really help.
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Post#85 » by reck0n3r » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:43 am

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We are quick to forget because he is the reigning Coach of the Year and BC has full confidence in him otherwise he'd be gone.


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Re: Is it time for Bargs to go back to the bench? 

Post#86 » by gcsw » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:17 am

HumbleBumbleBee wrote:Maybe let Rasho/Hump start?


Bustnani should not go to the bench. He should already be playing in the NBDL right now, if it were not for politics. So, the only reason he is not playing there is because he was drafted first overall. He is impeding the development of Hump and costing us games.
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Post#87 » by The Letter V » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:26 am

Thank you very much for your insight on the matter. But just to let you know, Bargs' development is far more important to the team's long-term success than Hump's is.

Everybody knows he sucks right now. But it's too early to make the kinds of conclusions you are. Let's just wait and see where this goes. He's young, he has tons of potential.
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Post#88 » by Sun Tzu » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:20 pm

We've reduced Bargnani to the roll of screen setter on offence, which he does 2-3 times per set


Again, Bargs takes more shots per minute on the floor than any starter this year not named Bosh.

He may not have set plays designed for him, but it isn't as though he isn't getting opportunities. He is. More than TJ, more than Jose, more than Parker, more than Delfino. It isn't like he isn't getting touches or open looks, so the problem is that those looks dont come off a screen?

And how many set plays do you want to design and run for someone shooting .375% on the year?

Everyone can quibble about the amount of time he gets on the court, but I don't see how there is much case that he has been given a "reduced" role when on the court.
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Post#89 » by deknow » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:31 pm

Sun Tzu wrote:
We've reduced Bargnani to the roll of screen setter on offence, which he does 2-3 times per set


Again, Bargs takes more shots per minute on the floor than any starter this year not named Bosh.

He may not have set plays designed for him, but it isn't as though he isn't getting opportunities. He is. More than TJ, more than Jose, more than Parker, more than Delfino. It isn't like he isn't getting touches or open looks, so the problem is that those looks dont come off a screen?

And how many set plays do you want to design and run for someone shooting .375% on the year?

Everyone can quibble about the amount of time he gets on the court, but I don't see how there is much case that he has been given a "reduced" role when on the court.



I hope when TJ comes back and we can get a little penetration from the perimeter it will help Bargs loosen up. This may be a stretch but with the constant pick and rolls Bargs sets and consequentially shoots, he seems to have already made up his mind about what it is he's gonna do. With TJ and his ability to break down a defense and find the open man it may bring back the element of spontaneity which I think Bargs may need to get his shot back. Right now he thinks too much.

Its a stretch.

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